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One Law for Women and another for Men?
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Should these women have been let off so lightly?
In the first case was no thought given to the falsely accused men, who's lives and relationships could have been wrecked?
In the second case would a male teacher have been let off so lightly?
Why are women treated more leniently than men?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles /news/news.html?in_article_id=493344&in_page_i d=1770
Should these women have been let off so lightly?
In the first case was no thought given to the falsely accused men, who's lives and relationships could have been wrecked?
In the second case would a male teacher have been let off so lightly?
Why are women treated more leniently than men?
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Yes there is.
There was a story in the Metro the other week about a woman who stabbed her partner in the leg with a knife because he ate her pork chop, it was all very light hearted and funny if it had been the other way around it would have been viewed far more seriously.
Look at Boy George, ties a male escort to radiator and tells him that he's now his sex slave! Allegedly. Again all very light hearted and funny (Wright Stuff Channel 5) could you imagine the fuss if a premiership fotballer had done the same to a call girl?
These are all examples of modern liberal militancy, men are now viewed as the enemy.
The worst recent story that springs to mind is the tennis coach who molested her 13 year old female pupil, the mother caught them at it but said nothing to avoid damaging her career! No career is worth that!
There was a story in the Metro the other week about a woman who stabbed her partner in the leg with a knife because he ate her pork chop, it was all very light hearted and funny if it had been the other way around it would have been viewed far more seriously.
Look at Boy George, ties a male escort to radiator and tells him that he's now his sex slave! Allegedly. Again all very light hearted and funny (Wright Stuff Channel 5) could you imagine the fuss if a premiership fotballer had done the same to a call girl?
These are all examples of modern liberal militancy, men are now viewed as the enemy.
The worst recent story that springs to mind is the tennis coach who molested her 13 year old female pupil, the mother caught them at it but said nothing to avoid damaging her career! No career is worth that!
I think you could find examples of it working the other way, AOG.
Myra Hindley was treated far more harshly than Ian Brady has been, by successive Home Secretaries for political gain.
And look at Maxine Carr, guilty of what? Kidnap? Murder? Nope - perverting the course of justice. Would a man have been demonised as much as she has for doing the same?
Myra Hindley was treated far more harshly than Ian Brady has been, by successive Home Secretaries for political gain.
And look at Maxine Carr, guilty of what? Kidnap? Murder? Nope - perverting the course of justice. Would a man have been demonised as much as she has for doing the same?
AOG
Didn't realise this was a special offer, two different questions on one post.
Would a male teacher not have been prosecuted? I don�t work for CPS, but I do know that due to the enormous difficulty in securing a conviction in sexual offences where it is one word against another, often do not get progressed. This is not a sign of guilt, just sign of no corroborating evidence.
Statistics show that less women are processed through the criminal justice system. This is mostly to do with the fact that women commit less of the actions that are constructed as crime in this country. But, it is also they are not perceived (generally) as criminals. However once in the system if convicted (statistically) they are given heavier penalties than their male equivalents.
Didn't realise this was a special offer, two different questions on one post.
Would a male teacher not have been prosecuted? I don�t work for CPS, but I do know that due to the enormous difficulty in securing a conviction in sexual offences where it is one word against another, often do not get progressed. This is not a sign of guilt, just sign of no corroborating evidence.
Statistics show that less women are processed through the criminal justice system. This is mostly to do with the fact that women commit less of the actions that are constructed as crime in this country. But, it is also they are not perceived (generally) as criminals. However once in the system if convicted (statistically) they are given heavier penalties than their male equivalents.
In the first case, the woman has a mental illness, so her rape accusations are the product of a seriously ill mind, not a nasty revenge seeking ex or a drunken teen who 'changed her mind,' after the event. The woman should be hospitalized. This is not a useful example I feel.
The second case does not state the age of the boy involved, but as the teacher teaches A levels, for the sake of this thread, you may assume, as one of her pupils, then he was 16-18 yrs old. The age of consent is 16 yrs and although there is a breach of professional trust, it perhaps is not a criminal offence as it would most certainly be if he were under 16yrs.
A large majority of the prison population of women, is non payment of TV license, which would indicate that they are treated rather more harshly than men in general. (Told this by a friend who is a prison officer)
Women are treated so less leniently than men in the world, you know.
The second case does not state the age of the boy involved, but as the teacher teaches A levels, for the sake of this thread, you may assume, as one of her pupils, then he was 16-18 yrs old. The age of consent is 16 yrs and although there is a breach of professional trust, it perhaps is not a criminal offence as it would most certainly be if he were under 16yrs.
A large majority of the prison population of women, is non payment of TV license, which would indicate that they are treated rather more harshly than men in general. (Told this by a friend who is a prison officer)
Women are treated so less leniently than men in the world, you know.
AOG
I have to go along with Le Chat on this one. When I read the first story, my first thought was "Why didn't someone realise long ago that this woman was obviously suffering from some form of illness rather than being the victim of rape".
Of course, it's possible to have been raped by seven different boyfriends, possible, but not likely.
Unfotunately, the police service and social services aren't 'joined up' and the police are mandated to respond to each claim of rape.
I really don't see it as bias.
I have to go along with Le Chat on this one. When I read the first story, my first thought was "Why didn't someone realise long ago that this woman was obviously suffering from some form of illness rather than being the victim of rape".
Of course, it's possible to have been raped by seven different boyfriends, possible, but not likely.
Unfotunately, the police service and social services aren't 'joined up' and the police are mandated to respond to each claim of rape.
I really don't see it as bias.
Oh Ruby do try and read the question properly before snapping back with your answers.
Where did I suggest that there were cases where men have alleged rape in the same way?
I was pointing out that generally women are treated more leniently for their crimes than men. Others knew what I meant, why not you?
"Didn't realise this was a special offer, two different questions on one post"
This was not a special offer, seeing that there was only one question. "One law for Women and another for Men"? hence the question mark Try to keep up dear.
"Would a male teacher not have been prosecuted"? the answer to that is, most definitely.
"Statistics show that less women are processed through the criminal justice system". That's precisely the point I am highlighting.
"Not perceived (generally) as criminals"
Could it be the numberous let offs invented by skilled defence lawyers, ie abused by a male, PMT, young children at home, a cry for help, etc, etc. Any of these works wonders on a sympathetic judge, magistrate or jury.
"However once in the system if convicted (statistically) they are given heavier penalties than their male equivalents".
Now this is a real gem, even for you ruby. You say "statistically" so perhaps you would now like to supply proof of these staistics?
Where did I suggest that there were cases where men have alleged rape in the same way?
I was pointing out that generally women are treated more leniently for their crimes than men. Others knew what I meant, why not you?
"Didn't realise this was a special offer, two different questions on one post"
This was not a special offer, seeing that there was only one question. "One law for Women and another for Men"? hence the question mark Try to keep up dear.
"Would a male teacher not have been prosecuted"? the answer to that is, most definitely.
"Statistics show that less women are processed through the criminal justice system". That's precisely the point I am highlighting.
"Not perceived (generally) as criminals"
Could it be the numberous let offs invented by skilled defence lawyers, ie abused by a male, PMT, young children at home, a cry for help, etc, etc. Any of these works wonders on a sympathetic judge, magistrate or jury.
"However once in the system if convicted (statistically) they are given heavier penalties than their male equivalents".
Now this is a real gem, even for you ruby. You say "statistically" so perhaps you would now like to supply proof of these staistics?
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I think you're making the mistake of focussing on the semantics, these are just 2 case studies that the questioner has to mind. The question is are men treated fairly and equally in court (or in the press) with regard to sexual offences? You'd have to be "mentally ill" to sexually assault anyone, should all rapists be sent to hospital? No!
The law is the law, full stop. A child cannot consent to sex homosexually or heterosexually and rightly so! The snigger snigger mentality of the press with their naughty teacher storyline's serve no-one, these are children we're talking about. If you want to focus on details a few months ago a teacher was in court for sexual activities with a 15 year old, she argued (successfully) that he had a knife to her head and was forcing her?! I've yet to hear the outcome of the subsequent prosecution for his assault on her.
The law is the law, full stop. A child cannot consent to sex homosexually or heterosexually and rightly so! The snigger snigger mentality of the press with their naughty teacher storyline's serve no-one, these are children we're talking about. If you want to focus on details a few months ago a teacher was in court for sexual activities with a 15 year old, she argued (successfully) that he had a knife to her head and was forcing her?! I've yet to hear the outcome of the subsequent prosecution for his assault on her.
Well AOB
I am not sure how old you are but much of my studying was in the 70's and 80's which was prior the internet. Therefore some of my knowledge of sociology/criminology is based on material I was working on then, therefore I can not immediately get to hand. Will see what I can do but can not support my claims today with a link.
I am not sure how old you are but much of my studying was in the 70's and 80's which was prior the internet. Therefore some of my knowledge of sociology/criminology is based on material I was working on then, therefore I can not immediately get to hand. Will see what I can do but can not support my claims today with a link.
Le Chat
"The woman has a mental illness".
Please see under excuses in my reply to ruby27 If she is genuinely mental then there are mental institutions she should have been sent to.
"A large majority of the prison population of women, is non payment of TV license, which would indicate that they are treated rather more harshly than men in general".
What made you come to this conclusion? Not having a TV licence if one has a TV receiver is a criminal offence, punishable by a fine or even a jail sentence. but there is nothing in the law that says only women are sent to prison for this offence. Perhaps it is because it is mainly women that try to get away without paying.
"Women are treated so less leniently than men in the world, you know".
Try telling this those men who for example were up to their eyes in mud and bullets in WW1, or landing on the beaches in Normandy in WW2 and are now in the hell holes of Iraq and Afghanistan. Women have it pretty good try being a man.
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"The woman has a mental illness".
Please see under excuses in my reply to ruby27 If she is genuinely mental then there are mental institutions she should have been sent to.
"A large majority of the prison population of women, is non payment of TV license, which would indicate that they are treated rather more harshly than men in general".
What made you come to this conclusion? Not having a TV licence if one has a TV receiver is a criminal offence, punishable by a fine or even a jail sentence. but there is nothing in the law that says only women are sent to prison for this offence. Perhaps it is because it is mainly women that try to get away without paying.
"Women are treated so less leniently than men in the world, you know".
Try telling this those men who for example were up to their eyes in mud and bullets in WW1, or landing on the beaches in Normandy in WW2 and are now in the hell holes of Iraq and Afghanistan. Women have it pretty good try being a man.
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SP 1814
"A female teacher having an affair with a 16 year old boy is a fantasy of many, many men".
I think this is rather a flippant remark, especially coming from a gay guy, who could not possibly be speaking from experience.
"If it were a male teacher, men would be up in arms about it. Not necessarily fair, but a reflection on societies attitudes"
This brings us back to my point exactly, no more need be said, except that I don't think it would be only the men who would be up in arms. It would be the women also, only they would be calling for castration and then lynching.
"A female teacher having an affair with a 16 year old boy is a fantasy of many, many men".
I think this is rather a flippant remark, especially coming from a gay guy, who could not possibly be speaking from experience.
"If it were a male teacher, men would be up in arms about it. Not necessarily fair, but a reflection on societies attitudes"
This brings us back to my point exactly, no more need be said, except that I don't think it would be only the men who would be up in arms. It would be the women also, only they would be calling for castration and then lynching.
A male teacher having sex with a pupil would be viewed as a predator. Rightly so! In the 90s a social worker I knew said and I quote "women only abuse children when they're accompanied by men", oh that's alright then! No it's not! And furthermore it's now being proven that these eminent scholars of yesteryear were wrong. It's now blindingly obvious that there is a minority of women who are just as sexually predatory as the equal amount of a minority of men, and should be treated and viewed as such.
These are case histories to emphasise a point, I can think of an apalling case were a 12 year old girl was raped by a 15 year old boy who got community service! Contrast that with a man getting 6 months for killing a cat, which is worse?
The answer to the question (to my mind) is that's it's the fault of liberal militancy. Consider this if someone murders your brother hope that they do it for reasons of race or religion etc.rather than the fact they're just filth, that way they'll get roughly an extra 8 years.
Why?
If a black man kills a black man who in their right mind would say "well at least it was one of their own"?
These are case histories to emphasise a point, I can think of an apalling case were a 12 year old girl was raped by a 15 year old boy who got community service! Contrast that with a man getting 6 months for killing a cat, which is worse?
The answer to the question (to my mind) is that's it's the fault of liberal militancy. Consider this if someone murders your brother hope that they do it for reasons of race or religion etc.rather than the fact they're just filth, that way they'll get roughly an extra 8 years.
Why?
If a black man kills a black man who in their right mind would say "well at least it was one of their own"?
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