council houses for ex cons

[gina32]

http://www.northantset.co.uk/news/Council-hous es-for-excriminals.3578570.jp


what do you think about this?

[cazzz1975]

I would imagine these properties are on the "hard to let " lists, as they do with asylum seekers.

these properties are not palaces and most people who are offered these properties do turn them down due to the area/condition/vandalism in the area.

of course then they get offered to the asylum seekers and Im guessing ex prisoners

[whiffey]

Great idea, and so typical of Britain in the 21st century.

What is going to happen is that this country will PC itself back to the Third World.

More importantly, why does Central Government allow these peripheral politically correct lunatics to do rubbish like this ?

[prattler]

Well I can understand your annoyance at this, Gina, but surely we have to draw the line somewhere,Who says people cant be rehabilitated?Of course some can, its happened, and a lot of people getting released were inside for petty crimes, drugs etc.whats the point of putting them back on the streets when they've worked through their problems, and despite their terrible start in life have a real chance of integrating, having relationships, holding down jobs, with the right support.Newspapers are written by journalists, with no training in anything apart from inciting paranoia and selling newspapers..I'm not saying for one moment everyone in jail deserves this sort of understanding, but some people deserve a second chance in life, if they havent already developed serious mental health problems in the meantime,I know this sounds glib, I have no time for violent offenders, as in the sort who go and kick someone random helpless guy to death on a saturday night.they can rot in hell for all i care, or hopefully worse, no matter what their upbringing is.Im just saying unless you have a bit more experience of working with certain types of offenders, you can judge all you like, but some people deserve help

[gina32]

i knew someone who was pregnant and was living in someones garage because they had nowhere else to go, do you really think that people like that should be overlooked so someone who has broken the law can be rehabilitated?? because i certainly dont

[prattler]

whiffey,

I do hope you're a caricature and not a real person.Otherwise you and I shall 'have words'

[whiffey]

Go ahead, I am all ears.

[prattler]

no you first whiffey, I stated my case , my thoughts on yours was clear.If you have any problem with my rationale for rehab being a good thing in certain cases, feel free...

[whiffey]

I am in agreement with your views on rehabilitation prattler, indeed it fits in with my personal spiritual view; my issue is the more general one, so sadly prevalent in this ridiculous country, of selective discrimination in favour of dubious or undesirable minorities when it is as plain as a pikestaff that the majority of the populace are opposed. It is either courageous and forward-thinking, or blind and stupid. I clearly bend to the latter.

[prattler]

Gina, about your friend, I know what you're saying, and of course putting it like that it tugs at the heartstrings etc.But a migrant is more likely to take her place in the housing list than someone who has lived a life of crime since they were 12 because they had abusive parents,lived in a terrible enviroment most people cant even imagineand only had peers with the same frame of mind.I hate to sound like a social worker, but in some cases, some people are worth helping, and others are just plain evil. .Dont we want this cycle of abuse to stop?If there are some out there who can start out on their own againintegrate and form normal relationships instead of bringing more children into this world who are going to go through the same cycle, why not go for it?or give the house to a migrant, who undoubtedly maybe has a good work ethos etc and just wants a better life.what about our own? most of us dont realise the depravity out there and kids being brought up in conditions in houses in our communities-squalor is being kind.None of these problems are going to disappear overnight, but sometimes its more realistic to be a bit more understanding and think long-term.

[cazzz1975]

did your friend refuse the emergency accomodation she was offered?

what are the actual details of her housing situation..?

[prattler]

well at the end of the day some reasonable people can think outside of the box , and have some sort of sympathy, if not empathy with some offenders.Not everyone incarcerated is 'bad' and when it comes to mental illness, a lot of people are ill-advised because of press coverage, the media who like to scare people, and stigmatise , through their own ignorance.When do you ever hear kids say 'I want to be a journalist when I grow up?' cynical speculator, sensationalist, manipulator etc.and some of them with questionable literary skills(i'm only talking about the scum journalists here).There are and always will be journalists in the real sense of the word, who seek the truth, put themselves in danger, to get the 'truth'.REAL journalists.sadly, most of us want a bit of escapism and thats what puts up against these uneducated 'sales-sharks' when we buy the gutter press newspapers.Thats all they are.Out to scare you and me, Joe Public with their misinformed tripe and their smug belief that we are all gullible.

[gina32]

my friend wasnt offered emergency accomodation because she was sheltered and had a bed.

[Oneeyedvic]

gina - where did your friend live?

I am curious as to how your friend was in a position that (a) her family did not want her living there, (b) the father of her child did not want her (c) no relative (brother, sister, aunt uncle etc) did not want here and (d) not even her friends wanted her living with them.

Going back to this story, prison offenders are highly unlikely to get a job and therefore be in a position to rent.

There are therefore only 2 choices - we let them fend for themselves and face the fact that they will likely re offend or we give them help and a chance to do something with their life.

[cazzz1975]

im sorry but at worst you friend would have to live in a hostel or b&b

[gina32]

cazzz they werent offered a hostel or anywhere else for quite while even though they had been on the council list for many years

[gina32]

oneeyedvic, no one said her family didnt want her they just didnt live near her, she was with the father of the baby and she doesnt have brothers or sisters aunts or uncles

[Oneeyedvic]

ah, sorry, so if I have interpreted this right, she could have lived with her family (albeit it they lived a distance away), but she chose to live in a garage. Is that right?

And did she not have any friends locally that would have offered her a sofa? I've certainly kipped on mate's sofas before when I have been between houses.