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Muslims good for the UK?
Can anyone tell me what good / positive things Muslims have done or do for the UK?
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My humble suggestion to the people who do not know about Islam, is that Islam is not only a religion. Islam is a way of life. People who are talking about fall of Britain what do they really mean by fall. If fall means the end of binge drinking, yob culture, record level teenage pregnancy, broken families, almost half of population without knowledge about their biological father and so many other things. If these things will finish then is it good for the society or bad. I don't think this is British culture and fall of these things should be considered fall of Britain.
Cazza & Stoke - I respect your words about Amir Khan, I would say that Muslims believe that respect and disrespect is in the hands of Allah and we say �in the name of Allah most merciful and gracious� known as �Bismillah� before any things. Trust me even if someone says same as Christian then at least I would have no problem with that. Because anyone can be loyal to his religion as well as to country and society.
Cazza & Stoke - I respect your words about Amir Khan, I would say that Muslims believe that respect and disrespect is in the hands of Allah and we say �in the name of Allah most merciful and gracious� known as �Bismillah� before any things. Trust me even if someone says same as Christian then at least I would have no problem with that. Because anyone can be loyal to his religion as well as to country and society.
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I think no-one disagrees that certain fanatical Muslims here in the UK have called for an Islamic Britain, and because the so called peace loving members of this religion don't say anything, because they are either scared, or silently support it, the fanatics voices are getting stronger, and pulling more members into their way of thinking.
on a more personal note, a quote from the the Sayings of Mohammed says, 'On Judgement Day, all the Rocks and Trees will shout, There's a Jew behind me, come and kill him'.
Islam is not just a religion, its a death cult.
on a more personal note, a quote from the the Sayings of Mohammed says, 'On Judgement Day, all the Rocks and Trees will shout, There's a Jew behind me, come and kill him'.
Islam is not just a religion, its a death cult.
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Birdie - do you think Christians are evil and what are your thoughts about the Bible?
Maybe you can also explain why Pakistan (or to give its full title the Islamic Republic of Pakistan) has the nuclear bomb but still not has used it - in fact the 'Christian' west are the only ones who have used it and also seems to be the ones who go into other countries to impose their will.
Maybe you can also explain why Pakistan (or to give its full title the Islamic Republic of Pakistan) has the nuclear bomb but still not has used it - in fact the 'Christian' west are the only ones who have used it and also seems to be the ones who go into other countries to impose their will.
Birdie 1971 � Muhammad (pbuh) you called him conman. Yes he was a conman. Because he sorted those people out who used to bury their girls alive, who used to kill people for a sack of water, who used to kill each other for a single camel. After Muhammad (pbuh) coned them they produced pioneers of medicine, sociology, humanity and so on. According to you Muslims killed in thousands, But I can not understand why when Muslims left Spain after ruling over 900 years and India after 500 years there were still majority none muslims in those areas. Indonesia which is now the largest Muslim country in the world, people there accepted Islam only when they noticed that the same tradesmen who used to come from Arabia and sell them all the dodgy items stopped doing that all of sudden and became so truthful even about the faults of their merchandise. Yes they were coned by Muhammad (pbuh) and they became honest. Otherwise you look in the history books and give me one reference that when and where an Islamic army invaded Indonesia.
Ok now about your 5:33 from Quran. There were few people who were sick and were brought to Muhammad (pbuh). After they were treated and got better, one day they killed the person who was looking after them and took 15 camels which used to feed them (milk). This verse came for them. Yes they were killed because they killed an innocent person. And yes Islam does believe in capital punishments to deter people from killing, or you tell me if someone kills your daughter or son what would you recommend for him.
About 5:32 I would say that you should go and read one verse before that 5:31 with open heart and mind and come back and tell me. Because it is not right to look at the result and not the reason. However if you would not be able to find anything then let me know and I would tell you.
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Ok now about your 5:33 from Quran. There were few people who were sick and were brought to Muhammad (pbuh). After they were treated and got better, one day they killed the person who was looking after them and took 15 camels which used to feed them (milk). This verse came for them. Yes they were killed because they killed an innocent person. And yes Islam does believe in capital punishments to deter people from killing, or you tell me if someone kills your daughter or son what would you recommend for him.
About 5:32 I would say that you should go and read one verse before that 5:31 with open heart and mind and come back and tell me. Because it is not right to look at the result and not the reason. However if you would not be able to find anything then let me know and I would tell you.
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At the end I would say that people like you only see a handful people in a tabloid or on TV, and make your mind up. Apart from 9/11 and 7/7 how many terrorist acts do you know where Muslims were involved. Give me the proven records and not the media summersault. Even about 9/11 now many knows who really was behind that. In the end I would say neither Hitler and Mussolini were Muslims nor Bush and Blair. You do not have to be rocket scientist to see who has and is killing more innocent people. But still I would say that religions do not say about killing innocent, it�s the people who manipulate religion for their own ill doings.
Just like the website you gave faith freedoms. This is a well known website from the people who did not like Islam because Islam does not allow, alcohol, adultery, homosexuality and so many other things. Now again just google it and find out the consequences of all these social problems because you may not believe me. So they decided to free the faith. There is difference between Islam and other religions (due respect to all), In Islam rulings are given by God and not the priests. No one in Islam can legalise what God has declared illegal.
At the end I would say that people like you only see a handful people in a tabloid or on TV, and make your mind up. Apart from 9/11 and 7/7 how many terrorist acts do you know where Muslims were involved. Give me the proven records and not the media summersault. Even about 9/11 now many knows who really was behind that. In the end I would say neither Hitler and Mussolini were Muslims nor Bush and Blair. You do not have to be rocket scientist to see who has and is killing more innocent people. But still I would say that religions do not say about killing innocent, it�s the people who manipulate religion for their own ill doings.
Just like the website you gave faith freedoms. This is a well known website from the people who did not like Islam because Islam does not allow, alcohol, adultery, homosexuality and so many other things. Now again just google it and find out the consequences of all these social problems because you may not believe me. So they decided to free the faith. There is difference between Islam and other religions (due respect to all), In Islam rulings are given by God and not the priests. No one in Islam can legalise what God has declared illegal.
birdie1971
Here's a question - on the one hand we're told so many times how the Koran is almost a blueprint for global Islamic dominance, and on the other we're told how much moren religiously observant the average Muslim is...so....
...how come Muslims in the UK aren't going around murdering the infidels every waking hour of their day?
Here's a question - on the one hand we're told so many times how the Koran is almost a blueprint for global Islamic dominance, and on the other we're told how much moren religiously observant the average Muslim is...so....
...how come Muslims in the UK aren't going around murdering the infidels every waking hour of their day?
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Birdie � You reply me whenever you have the facts but let me ask you one more thing. You said Pakistan has a nuclear capability but hasn�t used it is fairly obvious � the Pakistanis don�t want to die. An independent nuclear strike on any country would provoke other countries to wipe out Pakistan.. Now tell me when Americans fired two nuclear bombs to Japan why other countries did not wipe out America if they are just.
Instead we ask Japan to apologize officially almost ever year when we celebrate war memory day for war crimes committed by Japanese against prisoners of war, in other words soldiers. Have we ever asked America to apologize to all the people killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki who were surely not soldiers and where people are still suffering because of radiation.
Instead we ask Japan to apologize officially almost ever year when we celebrate war memory day for war crimes committed by Japanese against prisoners of war, in other words soldiers. Have we ever asked America to apologize to all the people killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki who were surely not soldiers and where people are still suffering because of radiation.
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