Jean Charles de Menezes

[flip_flop]

Here's hoping for an accidental death verdict!

Why is the hearing due to take three months?

[jno]

I point my gun at you, I know it's loaded, I pull the trigger, a bullet comes out, it hits you, you die.

Some accident.

[Quinlad]

Because they want the verdict to come from people in full possession of the evidence, rather than those who glance at a newspaper and then churn out snap judgements on internet message boards.

Crazy, I know.

[LoftyLottie]

Someone has to take the blame for this death and be punished accordingly - otherwise their is no justice.

[LoftyLottie]

'there'!

[jno]

If the British hadn't invaded India, 21/7 would never have happened so it's definitely Britain's fault.

What... you think that's all a bit remote? You mean the people who actually do something should take the responsibility for it?

[admarlow]

it was of course an accident, jno as you seem to be saying it was murder, what was the motive?, idiot.

[admarlow]

...and put a stop to the muderous cult of thug, and improved set the country up for the future.

[Quinlad]

So if it's not murder, it's an accident?

[admarlow]

I would prefer 20 'de Menezes' to one 7/7

[jno]

no need for insults, admarlow. I repeat my first post: if I point a gun at you and pull the trigger, where's the accident? You think I should get off by saying 'The terrorists made me do it'?

[admarlow]

it all depends on yourintention, your motive for pulling the trigger, who you and I are and what i was doing at the time.

[LoftyLottie]

If this was an accident, then we all ought to be aware that at any time at any place we could be shot and killed by the police and that it would be totally OK because it was a case of mistaken identity and we live in a time of terrorism. It was not 'murder' but neither was it an accident.

' would prefer 20 'de Menezes' to one 7/7'. Even if this were to happen to a member of your family admarlow?

[admarlow]

which would you prefer lottie?

[admarlow]

the guys look sililar, he was living in a property with the suspect and he was running for a train wearing a bit coat, it is an unfortunate accident and nothing more. If we didn't have scum blowing stemselves up on trains the officers involved wouldn't feel they needed to take this hard decision? what would you do if you truly thought someone was about to blow up a train?

[LoftyLottie]

Neither Adam Marlow. What I am saying is that if this were a member of your family I think you wouldn't have the same attitude. It was a totally bodged police operation. Someone has to take responsibility for this and receive some sort of punishment (not for murder), and at the very least lose their job.

[admarlow]

so if you was one of the officers and you truly thought he was going to blow up a train what would you do?

[smudge]

I've been following this case too & feel so desparately sorry for Menezes & his family.

If the police were that close to him & there was the slightest element of doubt, why couldn't they have used a stun gun or taser, instead of shooting him dead?

Why?