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Keeping our troops in Iraq
Why is our government so desparate to keep our troops in Iraq after being told we are no longer welcome there?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7 794646.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7 794646.stm
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Probably for the same reason we didn't widraw from Northern Ireland just because Gerry Adams said we weren't welcome
They realise that withdrawing too early might result in a bloody civil war followed by a militant islamic government or worse still a Somalia-like failed state.
That wouldn't be in the interests of either the Iraqis or us.
They realise that withdrawing too early might result in a bloody civil war followed by a militant islamic government or worse still a Somalia-like failed state.
That wouldn't be in the interests of either the Iraqis or us.
AOG
You and the Tory leadership seem to have conveniently forgotten the results of the vote for war with Iraq in 2003.
There were just 149 votes against. 139 of those votes were Labour MPs and t 10 were Tories.
Fortunately the Conservative leadership were as keen for war and their leadership instructed Tory MPs to vote with Blair, and the motion was easily carried.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2862325 .stm
You and the Tory leadership seem to have conveniently forgotten the results of the vote for war with Iraq in 2003.
There were just 149 votes against. 139 of those votes were Labour MPs and t 10 were Tories.
Fortunately the Conservative leadership were as keen for war and their leadership instructed Tory MPs to vote with Blair, and the motion was easily carried.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2862325 .stm
AOG
You and the Tory leadership seem to have conveniently forgotten the results of the vote for war with Iraq in 2003.
There were just 149 votes against. 139 of those votes were Labour MPs and t 10 were Tories.
Fortunately the Conservative leadership were as keen for war and their leadership instructed Tory MPs to vote with Blair, and the motion was easily carried.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2862325 .stm
You and the Tory leadership seem to have conveniently forgotten the results of the vote for war with Iraq in 2003.
There were just 149 votes against. 139 of those votes were Labour MPs and t 10 were Tories.
Fortunately the Conservative leadership were as keen for war and their leadership instructed Tory MPs to vote with Blair, and the motion was easily carried.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2862325 .stm
Gromit....you are quite correct, but just let us go back those 5or more years and remember why we went to war with Iraq.
Saddam had taken on Iran in a bloody war, using chemical warfare, twice invaded Kuwait, slaughtered the Kurds in Northern Iraq and there was the question of weapons of mass destruction..........and he had OIL. He would only allow the UN to inspect spasmodically, Iraq for these ?WMD..
I was sh.t scared then of Mr.Hussein and wanted rid of him.
The problem is that nobody gave any thought to running the country after the war.
I am also rather sick of hearing how many military personel have lost their lives and the pathetic and insincere condolances of all 3 Party leaders. Let us get this in perspective.....you join the forces knowing that you might have to go to war and for Christ's sake in War 2 nearly 50.000 died in Bomber Command alone.
We can leave Iraq to kill themselves, but it was the UN that put them in this situation and hence we should "tough it out"
Saddam had taken on Iran in a bloody war, using chemical warfare, twice invaded Kuwait, slaughtered the Kurds in Northern Iraq and there was the question of weapons of mass destruction..........and he had OIL. He would only allow the UN to inspect spasmodically, Iraq for these ?WMD..
I was sh.t scared then of Mr.Hussein and wanted rid of him.
The problem is that nobody gave any thought to running the country after the war.
I am also rather sick of hearing how many military personel have lost their lives and the pathetic and insincere condolances of all 3 Party leaders. Let us get this in perspective.....you join the forces knowing that you might have to go to war and for Christ's sake in War 2 nearly 50.000 died in Bomber Command alone.
We can leave Iraq to kill themselves, but it was the UN that put them in this situation and hence we should "tough it out"
The original arrangement was for our troops to depart by July 2009 but a recent vote in the Iraqi parliament only gave us permission to stay until the end of this year (ie for about another 9 days) and after that we were there illegally. I see that same parliament ar taking another vote to extend it.
But it put the kybosh on the British plans: I suppose they are not able to arrange shipment in such a short space of time. You would have thought that the politicians were jumping with glee about our early exit but no, they felt aggrieved especially as the Yanks have permission to stay there longer. Thats all the thanks we get for costing us �billions and losing over 100 troops.
But it put the kybosh on the British plans: I suppose they are not able to arrange shipment in such a short space of time. You would have thought that the politicians were jumping with glee about our early exit but no, they felt aggrieved especially as the Yanks have permission to stay there longer. Thats all the thanks we get for costing us �billions and losing over 100 troops.
Pull them out. There will be a period of apparent peace, then, Arabs and Islam being what they are, civil wars will resume. Wait a few years until the threat to the West and world peace gets too problematic, then go back in and shoot them up again.
Some cultures and peoples are intrinsically incapable of living in peace. Backward savages.
Some cultures and peoples are intrinsically incapable of living in peace. Backward savages.
I've said many times Jake, I don't know. Here's your starter for 10. How long should we try and hold the factions apart?
Better to let them have their civil war and then presumably turn into another terrorist academy, that's what you are getting at I guess. Just use air power to control them if they become a threat. I don't have the answers but I'm getting sick of hearing about the deaths of our troops.
Let them get on with there standard barbarity, I just don't give a sh1t for one of the loonies.
Yes Gromit and co the Tories did vote for the war. I guess many of them probably now feel that it was wrong as I do but at the time our intentions where good, is no one allowed to alter their view after new information?
Better to let them have their civil war and then presumably turn into another terrorist academy, that's what you are getting at I guess. Just use air power to control them if they become a threat. I don't have the answers but I'm getting sick of hearing about the deaths of our troops.
Let them get on with there standard barbarity, I just don't give a sh1t for one of the loonies.
Yes Gromit and co the Tories did vote for the war. I guess many of them probably now feel that it was wrong as I do but at the time our intentions where good, is no one allowed to alter their view after new information?
R1Geezer
I'm fine with people changing their minds. Do you think the Tory MPs that have changed their minds are criminals as this this comment seemed to suggest?
the criminals that took us to war are scared of the end results of any inquiry that may take place, at the end of hostilities, when they have to finally account for their actions.
I'm fine with people changing their minds. Do you think the Tory MPs that have changed their minds are criminals as this this comment seemed to suggest?
the criminals that took us to war are scared of the end results of any inquiry that may take place, at the end of hostilities, when they have to finally account for their actions.
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