Them Muslims

[123everton]

What is it with the Muslims?
From this,
http://rt.com/Top_New...sts-hit-dagestan.html
To this,
http://rt.com/Top_New...s-against-terror.html
Which one is the true face of Islam?
Or is it really just a question of your own personal prejudices?

[naomi24]

//politics ..... controls the masses far more succesfully than religion does, or ever has. //

I disagree, but apart from that, politics is a necessary evil - religion an unnecessary one.

[123everton]

Oh dear oh dear, try drawing a moustache on Mao's face, try lampooning Stalin back in the day, try questioning N.S.D.A.P policy (John Rabe did) see where it got you, try wanting a different government under the Argentine Junta, do you want me to continue?
I don't view atheists as evil (despite the best efforts of one dishonest contributor), when one loses sight of anothers humanity problems occur.
The justification for despicable acts are littered with political (and religious) motives, but, they're all perpetrated by people.

[naomi24]

Everton, That's a silly argument. So what are you saying? That one injustice justifies the other? Because people aren't able to criticise some forms of government, that doesn't justify them being unable to criticise religion. Two wrongs don't make a right. It's all wrong.

[123everton]

I'm saying precisely the opposite, people commit wicked deeds for their own wicked reasons.
It is wrong to identify people purely by their race, creed, colour or sexual orientation.
It would be just as silly for me to suggest that you view politicians as evil.

[naomi24]

//It is wrong to identify people purely by their race, creed, colour or sexual orientation.//

Yes, just as it is wrong to defend people, regardless of what they do, simply because they are religious, which is what you do.

[123everton]

Ha ha ha, that's comical.
Should the Russian Muslims demonstrating against terrorist acts committed in their name be commended, further reviled or ignored?

[naomi24]

Ha ha! Oh yes, Everton. Comical indeed. Remember how we all roared with laughter when you defended the Jehovah Witness parents’ rights to refuse their children life saving blood transfusions? Hilarious!

//Should the Russian Muslims demonstrating against terrorist acts committed in their name be commended, further reviled or ignored? //

None of the above. Their action has been acknowledged, but I can’t see why anyone who speaks out against terrorism should be especially commended when they’re saying no more than the rest of the world is saying. Let's face it. None of us, apart from suicide bombers, want to be blown up. And I don’t understand you when you say ‘further revile’. Who here has reviled them then? Have I missed a post or two? Ah, but maybe I’ve got the wrong end of the stick and you think they deserve commendation because they’re especially brave in saying something that might upset supporters of terrorism within their own religion. I suspect they might revile them - or worse still - murder them.

[123everton]

I could be wrong, but, I seem to recall it was you who once asked why don't Muslims march against terrorism?
Have you not read Birdie, R1 or AOG recently?

[naomi24]

Well, I'm not sure I've actually asked that question, but I have said that Muslims rarely speak out against terrorism, because they don't.

I can't claim to have read every post that AOG, R1, and Birdie have submitted.

[123everton]

(Sat 10:07 24/Apr/10)
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In answer to your question, no I couldn't, it's a stupid question.

Takes all sorts to make a world, good and bad, for whatever reason.
I get the impression that you and people like you profess to know the absolute truth, that your way is the right way and the only correct way, and that people who disagree with you are by definition bad people.
Not a bit like a fundamentalist, lol.

[naomi24]

Well said, Birdie. Quite right.

[123everton]

Birdie, I didn't say atheists, I said you and people like you, I'm not describing atheism per se, but you, I'm suggesting (clumsily?) that you're atheistic expression is just as extreme and unflinching as any evangelist.
Far from wanting atheists to shut up I am an exponent of free speech and free expression even (especially) when I don't like it or disagree with it (see my many posts on the B.N.P and also the burkha), indeed it is not I who has stated in the past that religion should not be practised in public.

[123everton]

Addressed to you, and, people like you, so not every remark was referring to you.
My suggestion is that you're contempt for people of an opposite view is equal to that of any evangelist etc.
Personally I don't care what God you believe in, or none for that matter, not all Muslims (or theists) are bad.
Islam is a much maligned faith, I wonder how much of this approbum is due in no small part to mild form of brain washing.
Think about it, how many films have you seen that show Muslim's in a good light?