Muslims Attacking Mosques In Uk

[agchristie]

What does this tell us and how concerned should we be?

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/08/muslims-in-the-uk-are-now-attacking-mosques-does-that-make-them-islamophobic/

[trt]

Could be a good thing!

[Jackdaw33]

Mohammedanism is like our British weather. It's gong to be either Sunni or Shi'ite.

[Gromit]

There is a sectarian war in the middle east, Sunnis against Shiites. Similar to the war in Northern Ireland, where two christian factions, the Catholics and the Protestants opposed each other.

[mibn2cweus]

Some, it would seem, would rather fight for than think about what they believe.

[baza]

While they are fighting amongst themselves they are not beheading Chrstians .

[douglas9401]

'The prophet teaches us that we can act like complete knobs then invoke the name of Allah to justify the insanities we perpetrate.'

Said a bearded nutter playing both sides against the middle.

[Gromit]

// While they are fighting amongst themselves they are not beheading Chrstians . //

I think you will find that they are.

[Old_Geezer]

This is the problem when folk use the word phobic as a suffix when referring to something that is nothing to do with having a phobia. Sloppy use of language.

[agchristie]

OG // when referring to something that is nothing to do with having a phobia.//

Correct. Murray poses the question as to what term should be applied.

A new word for the lexicon beckons!

[naomi24]

//Similar to the war in Northern Ireland, where two christian factions, the Catholics and the Protestants opposed each other.//

I wish people would stop making that comparison. It’s erroneous and misleading. The troubles in Northern Ireland emanate from politics and are steeped in politics. The rift between Muslim factions results purely from religion differences.

To answer the question, the people attacking the mosques wouldn't consider themselves to be Islamophobic because they don't consider Shia to be true Muslims .... note the word 'Kafir'.

[Togo]

Didn't Sunny and Shier sing I Got You Babe. I blame them for starting it.

[agchristie]

@ Naomi

// the people attacking the mosques wouldn't consider themselves to be Islamophobic because they don't consider Shia to be true Muslims .... note the word 'Kafir'.//

A very good point. The clue was there in this example. If this was always the case though why are we seeing an escalation in attacks now? Or is that a naive question?

[naomi24]

I can only presume it’s an extension of what’s happening in other parts of the world. A worrying prospect for the west.

[venator]

ISi a Sunni group, and Sunnis are apparently in the majority in UK.

So that's all right then

[venator]

IS is

[naomi24]

Indeed.

[ichkeria]

I don't think Murray's piece is meant to be taken seriously, sadly. He's a clever guy and I don't think he is really asking a question about "islamophobia". A shame he can't address the issue properly without descending into this studied "Mr Ignorant" pose. I daresay he probably does elsewhere though

As a matter of fact the conflict in N Ireland has everything to do with religion. There may be political aspects, as if one can really separate religion and politics anyway, but listening to the party songs at least, never mind the people involved, will leave you in no doubt. It may not be on a high theological level, but then the political arguments are hardly on a high political level either.

[ukbod2015]

While having regular working involvement with Moslems a few years ago I read the Koran to see if there was anything specific I needed to know. One thing I picked up on was tolerance of other religions. I guess that doesnt extend to variations of their own religion.

[Gromit]

For the upsurge in sectarianism in the Arab world, blame the wahhabi Sunnis in Saudi Arabia. They have upped the war against the shiites. They have taken the opportunity caused by the chaos of the Arab Spring (and the 2 wars) to attack shia people in neighbouring countries. AlQaeda and ISIS are both proxy Saudi backed militia.

Saudi is feeling less secure than it once did. The US no longer needs its oil (they are self sufficient due to fracking). And its arch enemy, Iran has come back in from the cold. So the Saudis are engaging in another war in the region, for influence. Which is why they are currently waging war in Yemen.

Dangerous times.

[joggerjayne]

Islamophobia is a "phobia" in the sense that most of us do not hate ordislike Islam ... we are actually scared of it.

The only question over the suffix is ... is it irrational to be scared of Islam?

Presumably not. If (even inadvertently) you offend, question or criticise Islam, or if you portray Islamic images, even affectionately, you might be killed.

If you are in the wrong public place at the wrong time, you might be killed.

If you do a job that followers of Islam dislike, you might be killed.

If you visit an Islamic country, to do good, you might be killed.