Court Rules In Favour Of "Gay" Asylum Seekers.

[OrcadianOil]

A Supreme Court ruling has allowed two homosexuals, from Cameroon and Iran respectively, to gain asylum here in the UK because they claimed that being sent back to their own countries would be detrimental to their safety, as homosexuals.
Is this a humane judgement to be accepted without comment?
Or could it be the opening of the floodgates as a means to bogus asylum seekers merely claiming to be homosexual in order for their applications to succeed?
The only thing which troubles me is: how does one prove that s/he is a homosexual?


http://www.dailymail....tle-stay-Britain.html

[sp1814]

I think we should be careful in assuming that there will suddenly be and influx of thousands seeking asylum for being gay. There will be a burden of proof in the same way that there is a burden of proof for political asylum seekers - and remember, because (as has already been mentioned), it's harder to prove that you're gay, it will easier for those asylum requests to be refused.

When discussing fundamental Islamic states, there are some on AB who point to the hangings and public stonings of gays and lesbian as proof of the horrors of Muslim states.

I wouldn't feel comfortable on the one hand saying, "Hanging gays simply for their sexuality is abhorrent" whilst simultaneously saying, "I don't think we should accept gay asylum seekers because they might just be making it up".

[sp1814]

Just to clarify where you stand...

http://direland.typep.../shocking_new_ph.html

Please do not click on the link if you are upset by the images of gay young men being hung in public.

If you're okay with it...then can someone please explain the difference between gay men being executed in 2009 and Jews being gassed in 1942?

...because I'm not sure what difference there is.

[joeluke]

Jews were persecuted because of their religion

Being gay is not a religion

Don't understand why you are linking the two

[Mick-Talbot]

There is an expert appearing on the Jeremy Vine show in a while and guess what............

he can tell for certain if someone is an homosexual.

[OrcadianOil]

sp1814,
I'm curious as to what this "burden of proof" to which you refer actually consists of? How else, apart from stating so, does an individual go about proving that s/he is indeed irrefutably, a homosexual?

And just for the wider debate here, I see that joeluke has taken a great amount of flak because of his outspoken, and candid, views. However, the point has to surely be put forward that we could feasibly end up giving asylum to perhaps many thousands of people falsely claiming refuge on the grounds that their alleged sexuality puts them in mortal danger in their own country.

We do not live in a massive country, therefore, could not only available space here, but also our economy, infrastructure etc cope with such possibly massive influxes? Should we allow ourselves to become the last chance saloon for every Tom, Dick and Harry seeking asylum when they have travelled deliberately to our country, having bypassed many others en route where they might theoretically have been able to make their case there? Or is our welfare system the real attraction?

[jno]

god, I don't know what would be worse - swamped by real homosexuals or fake ones.... anyway, there are lie-detector-style tests they can run if they want to, wiring you up while showing you pictures of naked people of either sex and checking your reactions. I have no idea whether they do this.

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

These two men where hanged for being rapists, according to Iran officials.

It was Gay Iranian activists who said they were hanged for being homosexual.

Who do we believe?

[McMouse]

jno............once they're wired up you could wizz a few thousand volts through.

[joeluke]

Best suggestion all day McM

[Zeuhl]

///It ain't our countries (sic) job to babysit other countries (sic) rejects///

Thus speaks the Nazi's best friend - the pig ignorant and narrow minded.

And Perhaps JL should get out more - it might broaden his mind.

And 'it's my opinion' is not an excuse for displaying sub-standard values and prejudices.
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[joeluke]

zehul

Pointing out someones spelling mistakes is the act of a pathetic petty person

So leave it to markrae next time huh?

[Zeuhl]

I didn't point out your spelling mistakes.

That would be:

'Oh look, JoeLuke doesn't understand how to use apostrophies'

I was repeating your post in one of mine, and in such circumstances it is good practice to show that one is aware that in doing so one is repeating a mistake.

Thanks for the opportunity to clear that up for you.
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[joeluke]

Like I said........pathetic and petty

If the cap fits..........

[ummmm]

Do you love being wrong Joe?

That's what you're suppose to do when repeating or quoting something that contains a mistake...

[joeluke]

ummm.......this is a chat forum.........not a newspaper or a magazine

It wasn't necessary and was a veiled dig

[Greedyfly]

Another day on AB

[Ankou]

don't know about you aog, but i doubt i would ever believe much of what is said by iranian officials. especially when it comes to the enforcement of sharia law.

[ummmm]

Greedyfly....are you sure this is the website for you?

[sp1814]

joeluke

You wrote:

"Jews were persecuted because of their religion. Being gay is not a religion"

That makes it even worse!

You COULD argue that someone could avoid persecution by changing religion, but sexuality is hardwired! You may as well ask someone to change ethnicity. It can't be done.

By the way, the Nazis also executed homosexuals...!

[sp1814]

McMouse

You wrote:

"jno............once they're wired up you could wizz a few thousand volts through."

I may be misreading - so perhaps you could clarify...are you saying you advocate the electrocution of gay men and lesbians or asylum seekers or all three groups?