What planet are our judiciary on?

[Loosehead]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11701262
Or do they just like to wind up the public?

[WShee9]

Hes got a UK passport now,the Numptie....Now extradite the bar-steward to the USA , where hopefully the Yanks send him to those 72 virgins....

[askyourgran]

Why have we got to put up with the world's misfits. It seems that the Judiciary need a shot of common sense. I cannot see the point of keeping people like that here, he is not really our responsibility. His talk is treasonous and against our code of ethics the man should be dumped off the end of a pier somewhere.

[youngmafbog]

//They have the weird idea that they are there to give judgements based on the law //

Not strictly true according to the article. They judged on probability not fact. So there was room to go either way.

Of course we know which way the hand wringing liberal Judges go in these ooman right type case dont we.

Perhaps though it will help speed up his extradition. I'm sure the septics will nkow how to deal with him.

[New Judge]

All quite true, gran.

Unfortunately all those reasons for expelling him are trumped by his "Human Right" to remain here. The judiciary do not need a shot of common sense. What they need are the laws and conventions repealed that protect people like Abu Hamza and prevent them doing what the electorate wants.

As I have pointed out, that is unlikely in the extreme.

[Loosehead]

So what about my "human Right" to not have terrorist anti british scum living here paid for by the already over burdened tax payer? Why do "human right" only apply to these sorts?

[New Judge]

But, youngmaf, all judgements are made either on the balance of probabilities (i.e. more likely to be true than not) or beyond reasonable doubt.

This was a civil matter and so the lower burden of proof applies. I’m not saying it’s what we all want, but it’s what the law says and you cannot apply the law differently to individuals whom you may not happen to like.

[New Judge]

Because, loosehead, the ECHR and the HRA are “get-out-of-jail-free” cards for criminals, foreigners and those who do not wish to live by the rules to which the rest of us are subject.

Law-abiding British citizens need not apply.

[Loosehead]

fair enough judge, so why can;'t we at least rely on the judiciary to understand this and perhaps use a bit of common occasionally?

[sandyRoe]

Is the law only there to protect 'nice people'?

[anotheoldgit]

He hasn't lost his Egyptian passport, while we were messing about in our usual snail like pace, the Egyptians withdrew his passport, they aren't daft.

What I can't understand his why we can't take his passport away from him? It does not make him stateless, there are thousands of British citizens that have never held a passport, they are not stateless, just wait till his passport expires and then refuse to renew it on some technicality or other.

The only good that has come out of this fiasco is the fact that all his assets have been seized. The downside we will have to look after his wives and their brood.

[WShee9]

No Sandy,its not...its only to protect Hookie and his ilk...the judges are safe in their ivory towers..its us hoi-polloi that have to risk life and limb everyday dodging these islamic fascists and bombers.

[Gladeian]

I cannot believe this judgement. This scumbag was originally Egyptian - the Egyptian Government have allegedly revoked his nationality. He acquired British Nationality as a result of marrying a British national. Surely it should become a matter for the "conscience" for the Egyptian Government and for them to consider the re-instatement of his Egyptian nationality thereby negating his "stateless" status if our liberal hand-wringing judges had the ba!!s to revoke his British nationality.
FAO New Judge - Can the Government appeal this ?

[jno]

risk life and limb every day? Fiddlesticks. In 2008, more people (60) died falling off ladders than from terrorist attacks. And 22 drowned in the bathtub.

[jno]

just pointing out where you're really risking life and limb. A sense of proportion is always helpful.

[eyethenkyew]

I don't like the verdict, and am probably in the majority there, but unless the laws of the land are altered, they are there to be applied fairly, even to those citizens hostile to the majority of us.

It's called being democratic and law abiding - not anarchic.