Should experts who claim a link between paedophilia and homosexuality be surprised when Our government decide not to use them?

[sp1814]

Or are Christians once again being thrown on the funeral pyre of political correctness.

Incidentally - can someone explain why this man's Christianity is an issue? Are his views a reflection of his religious beliefs? Is paedophilia even mentioned in the Bible?

[roxie_09]

The number relates to none of the above, and I'd expect my IQ to be higher as I am a criminal psychologist and I assure you it's not my age.and if you did your research on the profiles of the people that committed the crime, then you would see that this was more the case. It's more about dominance and control rather than the act itself.. IE paedophilia.

[4846]

Sqad /// I haven´t seen the original paper, but he was a co-author and from what I have heard his paper only "suggested" a link between paedophilia and homosexuality.///

The papers changing the odd word here or there wonder if the reporter was gay and they just wanted him out.

If he ever opens a B&B they will definitey go after him.

[roxie_09]

I've looked into child abuse and whether homosexuality was a factor and came across a website, that to me outlines that men are more often the perpetrator of the abuse and female children are the victims.. and also to Jackthehat... it also shows that abuse is more frequent in families and people already known to the child rather than people of authority/status such as teachers, priests etc. the only reason why there seems so many of them is that these cases are made more public due to their status in society..
http://www.nspcc.org....tistics_wda48742.html

[jackthehat]

My general response to the claims in your first response is "Nonsense".

Paedophilia is absolutely NOTHING to do with control.

And IF you were anything remotely approaching a Criminal Psychologist, you'd know that.

[andy-hughes]

I'm intrigued Jack - you do seem very firmly behind your opinion that paedophillia and control are not linked.

May I ask how you know this - i do hope it is not from personal experience. If so, then of course i respect your right to privacy if you prefer not to discuss the point further on here.

[jackthehat]

Andy - Control of the victim is more desirable and arousing where the victim *could* have the abilty to prevent the attack; i.e. rape.

As Paedophilia is a hard-wired sexual and mental attraction to chidren the only 'control' is manipulating any given situation to allow some sort of sexual contact.

I've probably not explained it to your satisfaction, or mine, really, but I'll try to find something on-line that may help............when I have a little more time.

[roxie_09]

obviously you don't understand the difference between physical control and psychological control. the latter often being far more powerful and typically used by paedophiles.

[jackthehat]

I do.

And my response remains the same..........

[Sqad]

Has anybody seen a copy of the piece of work suggesting the association of the original post?

[roxie_09]

Then obviously this isn't a subject that you wish to debate on and have fixed views on, however i have to point out that manipulation, that you stated paedophiles use, is simply a means of control.. i rest my case....

[jackthehat]

sqad - http://www.catholiced...sexuality/ho0095.html

[jackthehat]

Paedophilia is NOT a means of 'control'. There may be issues of manipulation but the primary focus is that of sexual attraction/gratification...........

Which part are you having trouble with ?

[roxie_09]

although the ultimate goal is sexual gratification, the means of reaching that goal is often through not just physical appearance of the victim but also the control over them and the their vulnerability.. If there wasn't any element of control why would they put so much effort into grooming their victims?

[andy-hughes]

If I may add to the debate - from a non-expert perspetive i hasten to add -

it appears to me that the element of control in a rape situation is instantaneous and gives a feeling of power over the victim, which is the resultant sensation that the rapist needs in order to satisfy his craving.

the element of control with a paedophile victim is more subtle, and takes longer to acheive, with a degree of subtlety and skill which as virtually the opposite of the instant reaction in a rape.

It would appear to me that for a paedophile, control through grooming will lead to an aquescent victim, which adds to the illusion that the victim is a willing participant in the abuse, thus allowing the paedophile to pretend complicity as a rebuttal to any notion of coersion.

For a rapist, the opposite is true - the instant and violent assault is in itself the purpose of the action, the only control required is the fear of the victim which rsults in submission.

Having considered it, I think that an aspect of 'control' exists in both cases, although as is often the case when trying to decipher deeply complex deviant behaviours, the limits of our language mean that the term 'control' has to be the catch-all term for both situations, which is not ideal, but it is the word that best describes the scenarios i have outlined.

i await the responses from my fellow posters with great interest...

[jackthehat]

That's it, Andy.

However, a paedophile will ignore any adults in the room as his/her 'antenna' will only be attuned to any children present.
Children are not sought out simply because they are easy to manipulate, for the sexual-gratification of inadequates who can't find such release with like-minded adults.
Paedophiles are hard-wired to find children alluring and as a consequence they develop skills (!?) to enable them to acheive the sexual contact they crave.
In that respect, the 'hunt' is NOT about seeking a victim to control.

[andy-hughes]

OK - thanks for the clarification jack - I hope that roxie will add her points in due course.

[roxie_09]

i agree with you andy, maybe i should have decifered more clearly the types of control that makes rape different to paediphilia, rather than just saying 'control' as its been put, the 'hunt' is part (i believe) as great a part for the abuser, as the actual act, as you've said andy, with rapists its more when the act is taking place that the control element is present, but with paedophilia it's present throughout.. I apologise if i come across argumentative, but this is something very close to me x

[roxie_09]

and jackinthehat, when i say control, i dont mean the control of the child as such, but the feeling of being in control of the situation. you see it quite regularly in personality disorders, completely different example to what we are talking about, but self harmers,usually do this in order to to feel as though they are in control of something as they feel they lack control in other elements of their lives. i think this is a trait to most, not all, child abusers.