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Our Selfish God.
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A quote from Naomi on the, '' Benign,'' thread :-
. This selfish God says worship him or woe betide you, and the cowardly do as they are bid lest they compromise the safety of their souls in defence of truth. If man was made in God’s image it shows. What a selfish, self-obsessed creature he is.
This quote raises a few questions.
Is God selfish? Yes, most certainly, He tells us this in the Bible.
Those who do His bidding are cowardly? How? That surely demands an explanation and some examples.
I believe in God, have I made the impression of being cowardly?
On the contrary, it would be easier for me to embrace the majority consensus on God, science and evolution, but I don't. Is that cowardly?
It is true that people are selfish, that is the cause of moral evil.
So Naomi, what on earth are you talking about?
. This selfish God says worship him or woe betide you, and the cowardly do as they are bid lest they compromise the safety of their souls in defence of truth. If man was made in God’s image it shows. What a selfish, self-obsessed creature he is.
This quote raises a few questions.
Is God selfish? Yes, most certainly, He tells us this in the Bible.
Those who do His bidding are cowardly? How? That surely demands an explanation and some examples.
I believe in God, have I made the impression of being cowardly?
On the contrary, it would be easier for me to embrace the majority consensus on God, science and evolution, but I don't. Is that cowardly?
It is true that people are selfish, that is the cause of moral evil.
So Naomi, what on earth are you talking about?
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'' He let's too much bad happen,'' yes that is a common misconception amongst atheists, who consider that this life is all there is.
They need to remember, that if there is no God, then they have to accept all of the suffering as just a part of nature.
If there is a God, I believe in Him, then this life with its suffering is just a precursor to an eternity with Him, and that puts the suffering of this life in perspective.
They need to remember, that if there is no God, then they have to accept all of the suffering as just a part of nature.
If there is a God, I believe in Him, then this life with its suffering is just a precursor to an eternity with Him, and that puts the suffering of this life in perspective.
//Mozz, you make a habit of mistakenly assuming that others share your devious mindset.//
Not at all, your devious mindset is far beyond anything I could hope to match. Anyway, back on track...
//They need to remember, that if there is no God, then they have to accept all of the suffering as just a part of nature.//
A logical conclusion when faced with a God that does not make himself known to us. You say that there awaits an eternity with Him, but what's the point of that to a stillborn baby or a three year old wth incurable cancer? A merciful God wouldn't deny one of his creations a chance to exercise the free will he grants them, before whisking back into the afterlife again. I know you will say that God's plan is beyond the imagintion of us mere mortals, but I find that difficult to believe.
I'm afraid things just happen. If God is real, he doesn't have a plan, he's abandoned us, just like a child abandoning a toy they no longer play with.
Not at all, your devious mindset is far beyond anything I could hope to match. Anyway, back on track...
//They need to remember, that if there is no God, then they have to accept all of the suffering as just a part of nature.//
A logical conclusion when faced with a God that does not make himself known to us. You say that there awaits an eternity with Him, but what's the point of that to a stillborn baby or a three year old wth incurable cancer? A merciful God wouldn't deny one of his creations a chance to exercise the free will he grants them, before whisking back into the afterlife again. I know you will say that God's plan is beyond the imagintion of us mere mortals, but I find that difficult to believe.
I'm afraid things just happen. If God is real, he doesn't have a plan, he's abandoned us, just like a child abandoning a toy they no longer play with.
Mozz, comprehension isn't your forte.
Theland bangs on about morals and sin and yet accepts and is eager to justify the horrors committed by his God. The only reason he does that is because he is terrified of punishment in the afterlife. God is not a fan of honesty either. He only likes 'yes men'. In short, for Theland, saving his own soul is paramount - albeit at the expense of truth. That is cowardice.
Theland bangs on about morals and sin and yet accepts and is eager to justify the horrors committed by his God. The only reason he does that is because he is terrified of punishment in the afterlife. God is not a fan of honesty either. He only likes 'yes men'. In short, for Theland, saving his own soul is paramount - albeit at the expense of truth. That is cowardice.
Maybe there is a God and maybe he despairs of mankind too and its inherent cruelty, but just because he's God doesn't mean he can do anything about it. If there's good, there must be evil surely and isn't the devil the evil one? Maybe the devil causes all the mayhem and pain? I am not a religious person, just open minded.
//Maybe there is a God and maybe he despairs of mankind too and its inherent cruelty//
Got to wonder why he made man capable of that then. He had a blank canvas and the ability to erase and re-design as often as he wanted to .... and just look what he settled for. A flawed creature made in his own image.
Got to wonder why he made man capable of that then. He had a blank canvas and the ability to erase and re-design as often as he wanted to .... and just look what he settled for. A flawed creature made in his own image.
He gave us free will on the blank canvas. That embodies choice, to be selfish and evil.
Am I a coward in defence of the truth?
That doesn't make sense.
It would be easier to join the masses and be atheist, but why, when I am promised such a glorious future?
The alternative is horrible. Why would I opt for it?
Is it really cowardly to opt for the promise?
In your thinking, to be brave, one would have to believe, and then reject it. Very confused thinking.
Am I a coward in defence of the truth?
That doesn't make sense.
It would be easier to join the masses and be atheist, but why, when I am promised such a glorious future?
The alternative is horrible. Why would I opt for it?
Is it really cowardly to opt for the promise?
In your thinking, to be brave, one would have to believe, and then reject it. Very confused thinking.
// For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.//
John 3
yeah I agree what on earth is the divine Naomi talking about ?
yeah readers will be totally unsurprised I was reading this in forrin (yeah - ancient forrin ! )
"oun ho thayos agapiseh ton kosmon hiva edwken ton monogenys huion"
yeah got there
edwken is a perf which in Greek means he gave it and the results are still on going ( saviour and resurrection)
or as it really is: Οὕτως γὰρ ἠγάπησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν κόσμον ὥστε τὸν [g]υἱὸν τὸν μονογενῆ ἔδωκεν,
almost got it right ....
[ cue prolonged screams of 'forrin ! we dont do forrin! ' and and what about the problem of evil in general and covid in particular? betcha never fort abart dat!]
John 3
yeah I agree what on earth is the divine Naomi talking about ?
yeah readers will be totally unsurprised I was reading this in forrin (yeah - ancient forrin ! )
"oun ho thayos agapiseh ton kosmon hiva edwken ton monogenys huion"
yeah got there
edwken is a perf which in Greek means he gave it and the results are still on going ( saviour and resurrection)
or as it really is: Οὕτως γὰρ ἠγάπησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν κόσμον ὥστε τὸν [g]υἱὸν τὸν μονογενῆ ἔδωκεν,
almost got it right ....
[ cue prolonged screams of 'forrin ! we dont do forrin! ' and and what about the problem of evil in general and covid in particular? betcha never fort abart dat!]