I Shall Return, Says Nigel Farage.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/820954/Nigel-Farage-return-politics-Ukip-Brexit

Sorry to spoil your Sunday afternoon mikey.

[Quangoid]

"Nigel Farage in BREXIT PROMISE: 'I'll don khaki and head for the frontline again"

Well if anything we need farage just for his comedy value.

No sign of him going to that march later, hardly rambo now is he?

[ToraToraTora]

Quangoid, like all remainiacs I don't think you realise how serious the brexiteers are. If the will of the people is not respected civil war is a a distinct possibility. Farage has done that rarest of things and achieved his political aim, he'll want to see it implemented.

[sp1814]

TTT

If Farage wants 'hard Brexit', he will find it impossible to achieve.

Simply put - the Tories are (and always have been) divided over Europe. The Europhile arm of the party aren't going to allow hard Brexit.

I don't know what Farage thinks he can do to alter this.

[ToraToraTora]

the public want brexit, not some contrived BS way of keeping the status quo. I don't know what "hard" means. We need control over our borders and to be self governing, end of, all the rest is secondary. I like to think common sense will prevail on trade and status of UK citizens in the EU and vice versa.

[ichkeria]

"If the will of the people is not respected civil war is a a distinct possibility."

No it isn't. Don't be silly.

[ToraToraTora]

so if they welch on brexit then the public will let it go will they ich? dream on!

[scooping]

sp1814: Farage changed the course of British and European history. I'm sure he'll think of something.

[Baldric]

I think you need to rethink that Ichy!

[scooping]

And, particularly because 52 per cent of those voting roughly agreed with him, he should have received a K or a peerage.

[whiskeryron]

Could we do any worse ? Any port in a storm.

[sp1814]

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You have to remember, Brexit was not won by Farage alone. He was instrumental, but he also had grassroots support. That has decreased dramatically.

Also, we should remember - the Referendum on our membership of the EU was just that...about our membership. It did not go into detail on what our relationship with the EU should be if we leave.

This is what has to be negotiated, and it needs to conclude with the very best deal that Britain can get. We need to think carefully about the legacy we will leave future generations, and not use this as a simple Brexit vs. Remoaners Volume II

[ToraToraTora]

remainiacs like ich and co cannot comprehend the depth of feeling on this. To them it's a simple case of brow beating the "correct" answer out of a public that had a temporary lapse to vote the "wrong" way. With a bit of help from the "correct" thinkers they can put this right. NO!

[ichkeria]

Regardless of what happens there isn't going to be a civil war about it :-)
That's all I am saying

[ichkeria]

Might as well re-post what was on the other thread about this, although any sort of prediction these days (other than "there isn't going to be a civil war") is probably pointless.

As for Brexit, it's probably about to commence a slow death. I think it's clear that a "Hard Brexit" (no single market, no customs union, no ECJ) will never get through this parliament (and even less likely, you'd think, a future one). "Soft" Brexit", where we stay in parts of the EU but have no say over it, would be hard to sell to the "loss of sovereignty" brigade. (And in any case it's hard to see what sort of "soft Brexit" would be acceptable to the other 27 nations). So that leaves the scenario Boris predicted at the very start (but hastily backtracked on) namely, we stay in a reformed EU.

[sp1814]

This is a political omnishambles (thank you Mr Iannucci). Half the country wanted out and the other half wanted to remain.

This means, whatever happens, half the country are going to be unhappy for a long time.

As for negotiations - the Tories have yet to conclude talks with the DUP to get support for their minority government.

Actually, as it stands now, the whole country is going to be unhappy. Those who voted to leave don't want a soft fudged exit, and those voted to remain don't want to leave anyway.

The Conservative Party simply don't have the mandate to deliver a hard Brexit, so they're pretty much stuffed in every direction they look.

[Khandro]

Brexit, originally about the sovereignty of Britain, the return of its borders and not being dictated to by a bunch of self-serving, non-elected Mafiosi in Brussels, has been reduced purposely by remainers to a discussion solely about "hard or soft" fiscal matters.

Nigel needs to return to ensure that the nation re-focuses on the real issue with his cry, - "We want our country back!".

[ToraToraTora]

none of it has to go through parliament ich. We are out 2 years from when A50 was invoked, regardless of what "deal" is done.

[ichkeria]

Of course it has to go through parliament :-)
Article 50 just triggered a two year countdown by the end of which we'd be 'out'. But who believes we'll just 'leave' at the end of that come what, er, May?
Not many I think.
And although the latest opinion polls seem to show remain/leave still at 48/52 they also show 'soft' Brexit outpolling 'hard' among leavers by 58 to 42.

[scooping]

sp1814: Don't agree. Without Farage there wouldn't have been a flag to follow. There were malcontents about the EU for 40 years and nothing happened.

[ToraToraTora]

Parliament is irrelevant Ich. We are out regardless, what if they reject a deal does that mean we will not be out? Nope, we are out, end of, nothing for parliament to vote on because the outcome of such a vote cannot matter.