Stop Press !.....tory Rebels Defeat Pm Over Brexit Vote

[mikey4444]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42346192

"In a blow to Prime Minister Theresa May, MPs voted to give Parliament a legal guarantee of a vote on the final Brexit deal struck with Brussels"

I was a REMAIN supporter, but I thought that one of the reasons that people voted for BREXIT, was to bring back control of our affairs to Parliament ?

[ToraToraTora]

great we'll have to leave with no deal, suits me.

[ichkeria]

Not really a surprise: good news, and well done to Mr Grieve and the others. The Govt's plan was a pile of nonsense: as you say, Mikey, if we want our parliament's sovereignty back, let it at least have control over its own government!

[kvalidir]

Or not leave at all... ;-)

[emmie]

but we are leaving,

[ichkeria]

Actually I think in the unlikely event we did leave without a deal what could be the surest and quickest path back to Brentry :-)

The reason the hardline Brexiters don't like this and want to get a move on is partly because they surely fear public opinion turning against Brexit the longer this goes on

[kvalidir]

hahaha..yeah...right.

[emeritus]

Yes but off topic

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tories-lead-polls-for-first-time-since-june-wlnvjhp5t

[Tilly2]

It was an interesting debate!

[jno]

it appears that poll was taken in the 10 seconds between May saying she'd got a Brexit deal and Davis saying oh no you haven't.

[Tilly2]

:-)

[anneasquith]

Democracy was the winner today .

[naomi24]

anneasquith, Democracy won the referendum too - but that doesn't count.

[Old_Geezer]

There are times when parliament involvement is appropriate and times when it is not. Posing the question ignores that.

I'm normally in favour of parliamentary discussion but not when it is likely to be simply used to try to derail the decision of the people.

In this case the decision to leave has already been made and remaining can not reasonably be an option after the negotiation. Furthermore any negotiated agreement is not going to be up for further discussion with the EU. In the event that the EU managed to make May back down again and again they aren't going to be prepared to renegotiate a fairer deal. It will have been the best the Remainer sympathiser leading team achieved. It has to stand.

So, the only alternative that parliament could vote vote then, is to reject the agreed deal and go with a no deal exit. And no one sees parliament choosing that. So the vote is superfluous.

If parliament wishes to rubber stamp whatever May achieves then fine. If it is a poor deal then future governments need to work to change things.

[kvalidir]

Well if you're really lucky it might win the other referendum too, then again don't hold your breath lol

[ichkeria]

We've been round the houses on this a million times, but the "decision of the people" was to "leave".
It was not a mandate for the government to railroad through the specific terms of the "leave".
THAT is not democracy. We elect our representatives to represent us but also to debate and consider issues arising. They are accountable and can be replaced if we don't like them.
Of course the $64,000 question is: what happens if a deal is rejected by parliament.

[Old_Geezer]

Not that big a question. We avoid the ransom and trade on WTO rules with the EU countries.

Railroad has nothing to do with it. You get the deal you negotiate. It's not up for modification by one side.

[Zacs-Master]

Stop press....Stop press....Stop press

Pro Euro Govt decides its best to refer matters to Parliament.

Read all abaht it.

[kvalidir]

I'm a bit miffed actually as I have a bet on at 50/1 that we won't leave the EU, just checked the odds and somewhere between me putting that on and now there is an additional option of 2nd referendum which has just gone in to 12/1. Whuddathunkit?

[-Talbot-]

You will be even miffter when you lose your money.

[mikey4444]

This defeat of the Government tonight just shows what a foolish move it was to call for an Election this summer.

May could easily have won tonight, as well as the other defeats that it has suffered. But post June 8th, she just hasn't had a clue.