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Greta
Doesn’t that Swedish person ever go to school or does she think she knows it all already?
She’s off to Davos now for a world summit.
She’s off to Davos now for a world summit.
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Ellipsis; //They did controlled burning in Australia this year too. They are not completely thick. They know how to manage fires. //
Please read the Spectator article ^^ 14:44. People trying to use the traditional methods of creating fire-breaks have been fined extortionately for doing so.
The controlled fires to which you refer were done during the blaze, in an attempt to stop it.
Please read the Spectator article ^^ 14:44. People trying to use the traditional methods of creating fire-breaks have been fined extortionately for doing so.
The controlled fires to which you refer were done during the blaze, in an attempt to stop it.
Khandro - I read the article. I also read the very similar Delingpole article it seems to be based on. Neither journalist knows much about climate science. And what both journalists are doing is blaming these fires on the Australian people rather than the prevailing conditions. Is that what you think, too?
The John David Chia case in Australia as mentioned in that Spectator story was totally misrepresented.
The trees he chopped down had preservation orders on them and most were on Crown land, not at his property.
He claimed he felled the trees to protect his home, but then sold that a few months later. The improved views after removing 74 trees made the property far more valuable.
The trees he chopped down had preservation orders on them and most were on Crown land, not at his property.
He claimed he felled the trees to protect his home, but then sold that a few months later. The improved views after removing 74 trees made the property far more valuable.
johnk - // She brings much needed attention to climate change. Perhaps if you thought about that instead of slagging her off the planet would have a better future. //
I don't need a child to lecture me on 'climate change'.
The planet has heated and cooled throughout its existence, it's not going to stop because a few people with an over-developed and un-deserved sense of self-righteousness and intellectual superiority start spouting in the media.
In terms of carbon emissions, China has just announced a major increase in its coal-fired power station construction, and they already burn more than half the world's coal - so let the moralist morons pp over there and lecture them, and see how far they get - and leave the rest of us to understand without their preaching.
I don't need a child to lecture me on 'climate change'.
The planet has heated and cooled throughout its existence, it's not going to stop because a few people with an over-developed and un-deserved sense of self-righteousness and intellectual superiority start spouting in the media.
In terms of carbon emissions, China has just announced a major increase in its coal-fired power station construction, and they already burn more than half the world's coal - so let the moralist morons pp over there and lecture them, and see how far they get - and leave the rest of us to understand without their preaching.
> The Australian people are not being blamed its the Government
Semantics ... it amounts to the same thing. You're saying it wasn't the hotter, drier and windier conditions that caused the fires, it was the people/politicians/Government and the lack of firebreaks they approved. You're saying that with all their knowledge and experience of fighting fires over many years, they put all that to one side and stupidly created the conditions for these fires to take hold. And your evidence for this is ... where, exactly?
Semantics ... it amounts to the same thing. You're saying it wasn't the hotter, drier and windier conditions that caused the fires, it was the people/politicians/Government and the lack of firebreaks they approved. You're saying that with all their knowledge and experience of fighting fires over many years, they put all that to one side and stupidly created the conditions for these fires to take hold. And your evidence for this is ... where, exactly?
//…but the reason the fires were so devastating has little to do with climate change as touted by Greta, but to do with kind of green policies she would advocate.//
Yes, I’d read that article, Khandro. I didn’t want to go down the road of arguing what the cause of the fires was. Australia always has bush fires and it is always hot and dry. I find it hard to believe that it being 40 degrees instead of 35 degrees is the cause of so much devastation but it’s one of those things that will just go round in circles. I’m obviously one of Canary’s 4Ds – though I’m unsure which one.
//Not many 17 year olds still go to school.//
In England & Wales you must remain in education, apprentice-style employment or training until aged 18. For many this means either remaining at school in a Sixth Form or attending “college” (which is for those who attended a school which did not run a Sixth Form).
//Khandro - I read the article. I also read the very similar Delingpole article it seems to be based on. Neither journalist knows much about climate science.//
They don’t need to know much about climate science. The climate did not start this year’s fires any more that it has in previous years. If left alone the Australians have a good idea how to control them once they start but because of interference from various groups of assorted zealots they have not been allowed to do so.
//"delivery is overwrought and simplistic"
It's also a bit condescending.//
It’s not condescending at all. Her latest diatribe includes this: 'Forget about net zero, we need real zero'. The teenager warned that net zero carbon emissions is not enough and that while planting trees is good, much more needs to be done.
So humans must not be responsible for any carbon emissions whatsoever. If that isn’t simplistic, I’m not sure what is.
Yes, I’d read that article, Khandro. I didn’t want to go down the road of arguing what the cause of the fires was. Australia always has bush fires and it is always hot and dry. I find it hard to believe that it being 40 degrees instead of 35 degrees is the cause of so much devastation but it’s one of those things that will just go round in circles. I’m obviously one of Canary’s 4Ds – though I’m unsure which one.
//Not many 17 year olds still go to school.//
In England & Wales you must remain in education, apprentice-style employment or training until aged 18. For many this means either remaining at school in a Sixth Form or attending “college” (which is for those who attended a school which did not run a Sixth Form).
//Khandro - I read the article. I also read the very similar Delingpole article it seems to be based on. Neither journalist knows much about climate science.//
They don’t need to know much about climate science. The climate did not start this year’s fires any more that it has in previous years. If left alone the Australians have a good idea how to control them once they start but because of interference from various groups of assorted zealots they have not been allowed to do so.
//"delivery is overwrought and simplistic"
It's also a bit condescending.//
It’s not condescending at all. Her latest diatribe includes this: 'Forget about net zero, we need real zero'. The teenager warned that net zero carbon emissions is not enough and that while planting trees is good, much more needs to be done.
So humans must not be responsible for any carbon emissions whatsoever. If that isn’t simplistic, I’m not sure what is.
Controlled burning was reduced after a series of embarrassing mistakes when some fires got out of control and destroyed many properties.
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Stricter criteria was introduced to prevent similar tragedies in future.
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Stricter criteria was introduced to prevent similar tragedies in future.
Thank you, retrocop, that's a good article. It does not state that firebreaks have been cut back ... quite the opposite, saying "At state level, since the major fires of the 2000s, funding for fire management has increased and coordination between fire response and land management agencies has improved." It goes on to say that more could be done, which is of course true. But for anyone to suggest that less is being done, and that the people/Government brought this year's disaster on themselves by taking policies backwards, is just wrong.
Khandro
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// Some of those trees were within a property Mr Chia owned at the time on Carnarvon Road in Roseville. Others were on a nearby Crown reserve, and still more were on Roseville Golf Club land.
Mr Chia paid the contractors $16,000 to raze the trees, which were covered by a Ku-Ring-Gai Council tree preservation order. Mr Chia's actions in breaching that order were found to be an offence under the Environmental Planning and Assessment Act.
Justice Robson noted Mr Chia had sold the Roseville property where the trees were cut down //
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// Some of those trees were within a property Mr Chia owned at the time on Carnarvon Road in Roseville. Others were on a nearby Crown reserve, and still more were on Roseville Golf Club land.
Mr Chia paid the contractors $16,000 to raze the trees, which were covered by a Ku-Ring-Gai Council tree preservation order. Mr Chia's actions in breaching that order were found to be an offence under the Environmental Planning and Assessment Act.
Justice Robson noted Mr Chia had sold the Roseville property where the trees were cut down //
Having seen the piece on Sky tv recently about the British Antarctic Survey’s discovery that a massive part of the continent’s ice mass has cracked and will melt into the sea possibly raising levels by nine metres, I’m relaxed about being lectured to by a schoolgirl.
I’ve never really understood why people stick their heads in the sand about this issue. Is it guilt? Stupidity?
And as for the Orange One in the White House ...
I’ve never really understood why people stick their heads in the sand about this issue. Is it guilt? Stupidity?
And as for the Orange One in the White House ...
Having seen the piece on Sky tv recently about the British Antarctic Survey’s discovery that a massive part of the continent’s ice mass has cracked and will melt into the sea possibly raising levels by nine metres, I’m relaxed about being lectured to by a schoolgirl.
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I concur. Shame on those in power that they have to be hectored and berated by a schoolgirl.
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I concur. Shame on those in power that they have to be hectored and berated by a schoolgirl.
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