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yes I think there is a degree of mental trickery involved in sizing, but must say it don't work on me, if I buy a good well fitting garment in a particular make i will go for that make again, I hate trying things on in shops, the fitting rooms allways seem so hot, so nowadays I always seem to be returning things to change them as I think, I know what size I need, I used to think Bon-Marche were sized well, but we don't have one locally now, but no doubt they have gone the same as the others. thanks for all your replies.