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What Happened To Honour And Integrity?
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Lies, spin and double-speak seem to be the order of the day in more than one area of life, and moreover that dishonesty appears to be not only accepted, but welcomed, encouraged and exacerbated by many. What happened to the once cherished philosophy of honour and integrity?
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"His alleged abandonment of honour and integrity doesn't explain anyone else's."
Where as i personally think it does. He is the president of the USA, an example to the people and also to other world leaders. If he shows a lack of honour and integrity, do you not think that has affects down the social chain, which affects social ideologies?
"His alleged abandonment of honour and integrity doesn't explain anyone else's."
Where as i personally think it does. He is the president of the USA, an example to the people and also to other world leaders. If he shows a lack of honour and integrity, do you not think that has affects down the social chain, which affects social ideologies?
Who i s denying the impact that mass immigration is having upon western society ?
What are the reasons that Muslim grooming gangs abound ?
Who is in denial of the extent of anti-western feeling among the supporters of Islam ? - do you mean the muslims themselves?
"a mainstream political party that openly declares its determination to defy the result of a democratic referendum and yet still retains significant support among the electorate" - are you blaming that
significant portion the electorate ?
"other mainstream political parties continually double-speaking, surreptitiously intent on thwarting the result of a democratic referendum and widely supported in their deceit by the equally disingenuous" - you are making a generalised accusation onto generalised accusations.
Can you be more precise ? it all seems rather amorphous.
What are the reasons that Muslim grooming gangs abound ?
Who is in denial of the extent of anti-western feeling among the supporters of Islam ? - do you mean the muslims themselves?
"a mainstream political party that openly declares its determination to defy the result of a democratic referendum and yet still retains significant support among the electorate" - are you blaming that
significant portion the electorate ?
"other mainstream political parties continually double-speaking, surreptitiously intent on thwarting the result of a democratic referendum and widely supported in their deceit by the equally disingenuous" - you are making a generalised accusation onto generalised accusations.
Can you be more precise ? it all seems rather amorphous.
I understand how you arrive at your judgement on "today", although I am doubtful that life is all doom and gloom. To me there are distinct signs of an erosion of collective empathy having taken place together with a commensurate growth in duplicity. How that has come about is less easy to describe except perhaps through examples.
One such example is available and easy to grasp. I was once asked by an irritated friend why I refused to have a mobile phone, one that is always with me and always on so I can be reached. I explained that I did not want one, that I can be reached at home on my landline - if I am there when it rings I can be relied upon to answer, if I am not then the caller knows with full certainty that I truly am not available and if they really want to reach me will try again. We discussed this back and forth, I made no concession in my stance - in the end she sort of accepted I meant what I said (a hopeless case ?) and said I wasn't taking part in the game. Precisely, said I, I refuse to.
I have no doubt that she is among nearly the entire mobile carrying community who from time to time when it rings glance at the phone and switch it off - this appears at the other end as a rejection of the call. What is the point of such things: To appear/pretend to be constantly available only to deliberately refuse a call ? The recipient of the call knows, the caller knows and the recipient knows that the caller knows. To me it is at best a charade and at worst dishonest and insulting. The same goes, although it is perhaps not quite as pointed, for unacknowledged personal (even business) e-mails.
My impression is that such things are a myriad of thin wedge ends. Once you become calloused to ignoring lowering of behavioural benchmarks by yourself, the next lowering is so easy as to go unnoticed. I know someone who is about as closely related to me as one can get and he told me that he couldn't reach me because his roaming wasn't working well. This is someone who works in and has above average knowledge of IT, has Whatsapp on his extremely smart phone and in any case was in a country where both he and I know every centimetre around him was covered with both good phone reception and good WiFi. He knows, I know, he knows that I know, yet he had absolutely no compunction against lying barefaced. I was deeply disappointed, he clearly was not and has not mentioned it, just keeps expecting me to be available whenever I am someone (sometimes the only one) who can help him with something.
Naomi, I know what you mean. We older folk miss the warmth and security of what we call integrity, others do not and are more content than we to not have such benchmarks. They navigate life relying on other factors, not least technology which they simply access and use on a "need to" basis yet spend inordinate amounts of time keeping up with developments. This is how current opinion is formed, one wonders if most of them even know that they have isolated themselves and actually become dependent on what they are fed on. Just watch how, as an aircraft has landed and the ban on the use of phones is lifted, nearly everyone is still in their seat area frantically going through the duration's material, some even after people start getting off the aircraft. One or two probably have very good reason for this but the many certainly do not. Mass neurosis takes hold - except in those who still refuse to allow it access because they still don't take part in the game, the spirit of the times.
Personally I wonder if this will not disappear in time, perhaps a couple of decades or more. Overall, I do not despair of the world, I think things are much better now than 50 years ago or so. But it is as always difficult to predict where things are going and (in my opinion) anyone who expresses knowledge of solid certainty about any of it is either deluded or a liar. We are, all of us, just floating along into the unknown - we have inklings, but that is all they are.
One such example is available and easy to grasp. I was once asked by an irritated friend why I refused to have a mobile phone, one that is always with me and always on so I can be reached. I explained that I did not want one, that I can be reached at home on my landline - if I am there when it rings I can be relied upon to answer, if I am not then the caller knows with full certainty that I truly am not available and if they really want to reach me will try again. We discussed this back and forth, I made no concession in my stance - in the end she sort of accepted I meant what I said (a hopeless case ?) and said I wasn't taking part in the game. Precisely, said I, I refuse to.
I have no doubt that she is among nearly the entire mobile carrying community who from time to time when it rings glance at the phone and switch it off - this appears at the other end as a rejection of the call. What is the point of such things: To appear/pretend to be constantly available only to deliberately refuse a call ? The recipient of the call knows, the caller knows and the recipient knows that the caller knows. To me it is at best a charade and at worst dishonest and insulting. The same goes, although it is perhaps not quite as pointed, for unacknowledged personal (even business) e-mails.
My impression is that such things are a myriad of thin wedge ends. Once you become calloused to ignoring lowering of behavioural benchmarks by yourself, the next lowering is so easy as to go unnoticed. I know someone who is about as closely related to me as one can get and he told me that he couldn't reach me because his roaming wasn't working well. This is someone who works in and has above average knowledge of IT, has Whatsapp on his extremely smart phone and in any case was in a country where both he and I know every centimetre around him was covered with both good phone reception and good WiFi. He knows, I know, he knows that I know, yet he had absolutely no compunction against lying barefaced. I was deeply disappointed, he clearly was not and has not mentioned it, just keeps expecting me to be available whenever I am someone (sometimes the only one) who can help him with something.
Naomi, I know what you mean. We older folk miss the warmth and security of what we call integrity, others do not and are more content than we to not have such benchmarks. They navigate life relying on other factors, not least technology which they simply access and use on a "need to" basis yet spend inordinate amounts of time keeping up with developments. This is how current opinion is formed, one wonders if most of them even know that they have isolated themselves and actually become dependent on what they are fed on. Just watch how, as an aircraft has landed and the ban on the use of phones is lifted, nearly everyone is still in their seat area frantically going through the duration's material, some even after people start getting off the aircraft. One or two probably have very good reason for this but the many certainly do not. Mass neurosis takes hold - except in those who still refuse to allow it access because they still don't take part in the game, the spirit of the times.
Personally I wonder if this will not disappear in time, perhaps a couple of decades or more. Overall, I do not despair of the world, I think things are much better now than 50 years ago or so. But it is as always difficult to predict where things are going and (in my opinion) anyone who expresses knowledge of solid certainty about any of it is either deluded or a liar. We are, all of us, just floating along into the unknown - we have inklings, but that is all they are.
The reason Trump is not popular with some, nor Boris Johnson is because they dare to, yes dare to decry all the pandering to the minorities which is becoming more and more rife. Common sense and having an opinion went out of the window a long, long time ago when all the right on do-gooders started to have a lot of sway and which is why we are now overrun with many minorities who have more rights and more influence than the rest of the populace put together ! So, naomi supports Trump, as do I. At least HE cares about what is happening in his country, a pity imo that we can't get a like minded leader here, but if we do, he will be shot down in flames by all the right on go-gooders as soon as he dares to speak out against the way our country is going. This is 'normality' now and it depresses me and I fear it will never change.
Much as I dislike Trump, I don't think this is down to any individual (he was voted for by others, for a start).
I think it is really about individuals and I doubt it has changed overall, we just hear more now.
It does seem we are coming into a time where any individual personal feeling trumps all honesty or common sense, which is never going to work in the long- run or in the bigger picture, because you can't please everyone all the time- and even if you could, it wouldn't necessarily be beneficial overall.
I think it is really about individuals and I doubt it has changed overall, we just hear more now.
It does seem we are coming into a time where any individual personal feeling trumps all honesty or common sense, which is never going to work in the long- run or in the bigger picture, because you can't please everyone all the time- and even if you could, it wouldn't necessarily be beneficial overall.
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