Morality Subjective / Objective?

[Theland]

What underpins your personal morality?
Is it objective or subjective?

[naomi24]

//I feel sorry for people misled by religion. //

Me too, Theland.

[Theland]

Yes led by robed clerics who disregard the bible, and put their own spin on it.
For heavens sake, they have the Koran read in some services, and one retired bishop in the House of Lords has called for the Koran to be read at the next coronation.

[naomi24]

Yes, I know. You're right and they're wrong.... and funnily enough they say the opposite.

[Mamyalynne]

If you need objectivity to guide you morally, then that's fine - just accept that many don't.

[Theland]

Who are, "They?"

[naomi24]

The robed clerics you mention - and the rest who have different ideas to you.

[Theland]

Yes Mamya, many don't.
An objective moral authority is an inconvenience.
Subjectivity depends solely on what feels right, and that leads to a myriad of conflicting moralities and is the cause of much evil in the world.

[Theland]

My ideas do not anything added to or taken away from the scriptures.,
Certainly not the addition of other books, Mormon, Russel and the many rules from the Vatican.

[naomi24]

The bottom line, Theland, is that you're the only one who is right.

[Theland]

About what?
What do I believe that you find so offensive?
That differs to the scriptures?
True some scriptures are difficult, and require much thought, but not to be watered down to suit the shifting standards of society.,

[naomi24]

You don't offend me, Theland. I feel sorry for you.

[pixie374]

Theland, what is wrong with "shifting standards" anyway? If we hadn't progressed, we would still think gay people were sinful, single parents were the lowest of the low....we would still be removing their children... Leaving poor people to starve, etc. etc.
Which morals do you believe are worse now, than before?

[Theland]

If you don't believe in God, it really makes no difference does it?

[pixie374]

Well, that was a bit of a cop-out, after all that.... which morals have you learnt from God, that you wouldn't have worked out for yourself?

[Theland]

Remember, Indont make the rules.
These are the rules from God as written in the scriptures.
Any deviation from them is called sin, as you well know.
Sin is not coming up to Gods perfect standard.
We are all guilty of it.
It's not difficult to understand the implications.
It's not difficult to change the rules to suit ourselves.

[pixie374]

You choose to follow those 'rules', so you are perfectly able to defend them. Most of us don't and work out our own.
Of course things change, as society does. Can you imagine how awful it would be, if nobody had ever learnt anything since?

[Theland]

Abandoning Gods commandments causes evil and misery.
The disproportionate sharing of wealth, immorality, negating the sanctitiy of life.

[pixie374]

That isn't an answer. Which commandments? And which did you need to be told that you wouldn't have worked out by yourself?

[Theland]

The Ten Commandments, and these are all held in the all embracing twin commands of Jesus Christ. Love God and love each other.
Is there anything in Gods rules that you disagree with?

[naomi24]

//Sin is not coming up to Gods perfect standard.
We are all guilty of it.
It's not difficult to understand the implications.//

And what are the implications, Theland? ‘Sin’ is a concept that I do not recognise.