When Does An 'Ordinary' Muslim Become An Extremist?

naomi24 | 09:31 Tue 23rd Jan 2024 | Society & Culture

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We're often told that there is a difference between 'ordinary' Muslims and extremists, so ignoring those who call for violence and Islamic domination as they march in support of Palestine, but thinking only of the Muslim school children and their parents and supporters who are making news by intimidating students into adopting the hijab, to observe Islamic fasting rituals, and to withdraw from some school activities because they are considered 'haram'; the student who is battling her school in court (at the taxpayers' expense) for the 'right' to pray during school hours, the protestors outside schools, causing one to close early in order to protect staff and pupils, and those who are threatening teachers to the extent that they fear travelling on public transport, one of whom is still, after a very long time, in hiding. The people who are responsible for all of this carry on their regular everyday lives living among us. Are they 'ordinary' Muslims - or are they extremists?

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Redhelen72

Perhaps I just find your constant harping exhausting

naomi24

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I can't imagine why you're hanging around then. If you won't address the questions it's certainly not to join the discussion.

Khandro

The fact is that there are varying degrees of 'submission' within Islam, from those who may go to Friday prayers and keep quiet the rest of the week, to those who drive trucks into Christmas markets killing & maiming in the name of Allah.

The process of radicalisation can begin early - as the Jesuits said, "Give me the boy and I'll give you the man." The picture someone posted either here or on another thread of a child decapitating a teddy bear wasn't, as was interpreted, preparation for doing the same to infidels (though the action was implanted) but that he should not waste his time playing with a childish Western distraction from his main purpose of learning the Koran by heart and praying to Allah, - admonished no doubt by a very 'radical' father and inline to be brought up in a very strict autocratic environment, thus becoming later an ideal subject for the full radicalisation.

Redhelen72

Your the expert in everything, why not tell me why I am not seeing things your way?

naomi24

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RedHelen, I've given you my thoughts - in fact you're exhausted by them. How about you telling me about that other way you mentioned? I'm eager to learn.

Incidentally, I'm not an expert in everything but I do know a bit about Islam.

Khandro

Have you ever read the Koran, Redhelen?

Countrylover

What has reading the Koran got to do with the OP. Will it

It explain when ordinary moslems turn into Islam extremitists?

andy-hughes

Naomi at 10.53 - You defend your position with the statement that Christianity does not 'endorse' the behaviour that Islam does.

If we are talking about doctrine, specifically the 'rule book', then the bible explicitly bans homosexuality.

And if we're talking instructions from the hierarchy, the Catholic Church maintains its abhorrent practice of disbelief about abusing priests. Until it becomes obvious that a priest is about to be confronted at which point he is quietly moved to another parish.

So your 'endorsement' argument has no power, since Christianity matches it, but you prefer to ignore it.

Khandro

C.L //

What has reading the Koran got to do with the OP. Will it

It explain when ordinary moslems turn into Islam extremitists?//

It certainly can do, hence it's acknowledgement & reference to it as justification by extremists when carrying out their atrocities.

andy hughes; If you now want to deflect to a discussion on the rights & wrongs of Christianity, please start your own thread & I'll be happy to accommodate you. This is about Islam.

andy-hughes

Khandro - I am not 'deflecting' anything, I am responding to a point made by Naomi.

And I don't require you to 'accommodate' me anywhere.

andy-hughes

Khandro at 14.45 - Anyone can site anything as 'justification' for their behaviour.

One mam shot a president to impress an actress, one man assassinated a rock star because he read a novel, one man instructed the murder of a group of people because he heard a pop song.

You don't need a holy book (not yours of course) to find a 'reason' to do bad things, it just helps you to justify your insanity, jut to be able to look in the mirror, and sleep at night.

Oh, and remember why Peter Sutcliffe murdered women? Your god told him to.

naomi24

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Andy Hughes. See my post at 12.41 Friday. That explains the main difference between the Koran and the Bible, which in turn negates your references to spurious and unrelated incidents and events.

lottie, I don't think you really want an answer because you know and I know you won't like it. However .... the Koran and other Islamic literature are the reasons that some Muslims turn to intimidation, etc. The girl who is battling her school is doing so because her religion instructs her to pray, school rules prevent her from doing that and her religion takes precedence. Likewise the people who are intimidating the teachers and other students in support of her.

Khandro

a-h: //Oh, and remember why Peter Sutcliffe murdered women? Your god told him to.//

No, you do not understand, (what's new?). No God of any description from any religion told him to kill anyone, he was simply psychotic - nuts. Whereas the Allah in the Koran actually tells Muslims to slay infidels, Jews in particular.

Countrylover

Naomi. A few examples won't work I'm afraid Naomi. I answered your question as I and some others saw it. That moslems reach a point of becoming extremely islamists. You have now twisted it to suit you in your second paragraph above. Let's face it you just don't like moslems, any moslems. You've made that very clear in many posts now.