When Does An 'Ordinary' Muslim Become An Extremist?

[naomi24]

We're often told that there is a difference between 'ordinary' Muslims and extremists, so ignoring those who call for violence and Islamic domination as they march in support of Palestine, but thinking only of the Muslim school children and their parents and supporters who are making news by intimidating students into adopting the hijab, to observe Islamic fasting rituals, and to withdraw from some school activities because they are considered 'haram';   the student who is battling her school in court (at the taxpayers' expense) for the 'right' to pray during school hours, the protestors outside schools, causing one to close early in order to protect staff and pupils, and those who are threatening teachers to the extent that they fear travelling on public transport, one of whom is still, after a very long time, in hiding.   The people who are responsible for all of this carry on their regular everyday lives living among us.  Are they 'ordinary' Muslims - or are they extremists? 

[royfromaus]

Careful, andy will unravel your post, Dougie...he said Over 500.

 

 

 

 

[Peter Pedant]

oh stop bickering all of you

and let us get back to the vexed question of the thread  - when will Hamza Yusuf - first minister of Scortland - turn the Glasgow banjo on his cabinet?

explicatory note:1. HZ is big norrrrrth of the borrrrrrder ( and so that country is doooooomed) - and is a member of Islam ( muslim you dmaned fools)

2. glasgowbanjois a name I just made up for machine gin

 

[Peter Pedant]

unravel - hmmm OK I am in an agreeable mood and dont want too be resuspended after 5 m

as far as I am concerned nothing is unravelled

and before I get sent down again, I wish to state there are muslims who are not and never will be... extremists or terrorists

god this reads like the old McCarthy hearings

[andy-hughes]

Peter. - I'll stop 'bickering', as you erroneously describe it, if you stop posting unintelligible nonsense.

[andy-hughes]

Roy - As advised, I am here to dismantle your nonsensical series of posts.

Please take your time to read what I have said, and understand that you need to stop being so keen to pick a fight, and actually read what is there and understand it, before launching into yet another attack which, when analysed, as it is here, makes you look foolish - again.

You might want to make a cup of tea and find a comfy chair.

Roy at 18:50 on Monday –

//Countrylover

How do you know he was an ordinary Moslem.  I would presume he was an extremist already.  You can't judge all moslems by a small   percentage, 

 andy-hughes

Countrylover - Some of us, or rather them, have that gift it seems.

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Utterly bizarre. I suggested he was seen as a normal Muslim until he made the knife attack. Countrylover suggests he was already an extremist and is backed up by mr hughes

Who is the Islamaphobe here?  //

I fail to see where my contribution ‘backs up’ what countrylover posted.

My point was that some people on here believe they can recognise an extremist when they encounter one – at least from a distance via a news thread anyway – it says nothing about ‘backing up’ – it doesn’t refer to what countrylover said at all.

Roy at 19.25 on Monday –

// So it is best to assume that when a Muslim commits a crime he was always likely to commit the crime?

Interesting that Athiest is also onboard with that. //

A textbook example of the ‘So’ Rule – stating something that someone has not said, and then criticising them for saying it, when they didn’t say it at all.

Andy at 20.09 on Monday –

// Roy - // Utterly bizarre. I suggested he was seen as a normal Muslim until he made the knife attack. Countrylover suggests he was already an extremist and is backed up by mr hughes //

Where did I say that? //

I quote your post, and ask you where I ‘backed up’ countrylover, where, as explained, I did nothing of the kind.

Roy at 20.41 on Monday –

// Where did I say you said that? //

Once again, you deny saying that I ‘backed up’ what countrylover said, even though your post says ‘ … and is backed up by mr hughes’.

Andy 1t 20.52 on Monday - // Roy - // It's the bit where you said // Countrylover suggests he was already an extremist and is backed up by mr hughes //

// It's just above this, if you raise your eyes and read it. //

Pointing out that your statement, which you denied, is there, when it is there, two posts above this one.

Continued ...

 

[andy-hughes]

Roy at 20.29 on Monday - // andy-hughes

Roy - // It's the bit where you said // Countrylover suggests he was already an extremist and is backed up by mr hughes //

It's just above this, if you raise your eyes and read it.

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No it isn't. //

Clearly you either haven’t looked, or you are simply denying what is there on the thread in front of you – I favour the latter option, based on previous experience.

Andy at 20.35 -  // Roy - As I always do, I copied and pasted the appropriate section of your post in my answer. 

You can scroll back and see that, or scroll a little further to your post that I copied it from.

I am unable to assist you further than that. //

Ever-helpful, I pointed out to you that I copied and pasted what you said, and no you are denying it, even though it is there to be read if you look back.

Roy at 22.50 on Monday - roy - // Utterly bizarre. I suggested he was seen as a normal Muslim until he made the knife attack. Countrylover suggests he was already an extremist and is backed up by mr hughes //

Now, where in that does it say I said you said anything at all?

Take your time. //

Where? In your post at 18.15 on Monday, where you started this nonsense off.

Countrylover at 22.58 on Monday - // And, perhaps Roy could tell you where you backed me up by giving the time of your posting.//

An offer to prove your point, which you have failed to address for some reason – probably because you are wrong, and as usual, cannot admit it.

Roy at 00.01 on Tuesday - // Lottie, you posted this

Countrylover

How do you know he was an ordinary Moslem.  I would presume he was an extremist already.  You can't judge all moslems by a small   percentage, 

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Now if I had posted that he was presumably an extremist already, andy hughes would have gone on about my prejudices. Instead he posted

andy-hughes

Countrylover - Some of us, or rather them, have that gift it seems.

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Let’s pick the bones out of that shall we?

“Now if I had posted that he was presumably an extremist already, andy hughes would have gone on about my prejudices.”

That’s a baseless assumption about how I would react to your nonsense, but I can let it go.

“He will deny it now but how come he didn't attack you for your 'he was probably a extremist already'?”

Tacit support?”

I will deny what exactly? As usual, you are scatter gunning nonsense without thinking what you are saying – probably because you have no idea what you are trying to say.

And why would I 'deny it’? I entirely agree with country lover’s position on this, as the thread clearly shows.

“Tacit support?”

Do you actually k now what ‘tacit means’? It means understood without being stated.

My support is anything but ‘tacit’ – I have voiced my support several times.

In conclusion, as usual Roy, you have indulged your habit of leaping in to be rude and confrontational, without the slightest idea of what you are talking about.

And I have dismantled your nonsense piece by piece, and will do so again, because you can’t help yourself. You are so eager for a fight, you get all twisted up, deny what you have said, say things others didn’t say, and generally emerge looking unpleasant and confused.

You said ‘Take your time…’

So I did.

[royfromaus]

What a load of *** 

😂🤣

I do think you are quite strange, mr hughes

[royfromaus]

😂🤣🤣🤣

[andy-hughes]

Roy - Which translates as - 

"I am royally busted - again! - and as always, I am utterly unable to compose a reasoned response.

So I will revert to my default position - pretend I understand (I don't!).

And I'll be dismissive and offensive. 

This makes me look ignorant and foolish, but since that is what I am, and always will be, I have to live with it.

[naomi24]

I don't think it does translate as that.  Just saying.

[Peter Pedant]

erm I dont want to  bbe picky

but which er wise AB mod and poster wrote of unintelligible nonsense ?

and what is unintelligible about Hamza Yusuf is muslim and not a terrorist ( when I last looked)

a sooty glove puppet nuzxles PP's ear - yes,,,,,yes,,, O I see..... - sooty says it is because it is AB

[royfromaus]

As I predicted...you will waffle on and convince yourself.

The above nonsense you have wasted your time on makes me laugh and yet I feel a tad sorry for you at the same time.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - You recently advised countrylover that you are not interested in anyone else's opinion.

Guess what ...

[anneasquith]

AH, be no harm to your reputation if you were less rude about PP. ?

[mibn2cweus]

When Does An 'Ordinary' Thread Become Extreme?

I think the time may be getting near.

[andy-hughes]

Roy - And as I predicted, you teflon away, and carry on being rude. 

Maybe better to understand my assessment of your character, than carry on posting, and proving it.

 

[royfromaus]

😂

[naomi24]

Andy Hughes, 18.45.  No I didn't.  I'm extremely interested in other people's opinions - just not in their personal opinions of me.  You're making a fool of yourself - as usual.  

[andy-hughes]

Oh dear ...

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - Your post would fit under the category of 'personal opinions' - I refer you to my previous response on that subject.

Actually, to save you the trouble of checking back  - your opinion of me matters as much as Roy's.