When Does An 'Ordinary' Muslim Become An Extremist?

[naomi24]

We're often told that there is a difference between 'ordinary' Muslims and extremists, so ignoring those who call for violence and Islamic domination as they march in support of Palestine, but thinking only of the Muslim school children and their parents and supporters who are making news by intimidating students into adopting the hijab, to observe Islamic fasting rituals, and to withdraw from some school activities because they are considered 'haram';   the student who is battling her school in court (at the taxpayers' expense) for the 'right' to pray during school hours, the protestors outside schools, causing one to close early in order to protect staff and pupils, and those who are threatening teachers to the extent that they fear travelling on public transport, one of whom is still, after a very long time, in hiding.   The people who are responsible for all of this carry on their regular everyday lives living among us.  Are they 'ordinary' Muslims - or are they extremists? 

[ToraToraTora]

22:38 AH but you did not mention the Hamaas attrocities in Israel so one natuarally assumed that you were targetting your "religious bigotry" comment at Israel alone.

[andy-hughes]

TTT - The problem with religious bigotry is, anyone can do it.

But you are correct, I did omit to mention that the bigotry is utterly ingrained on both sides, with Hamas deciding to create mayhem on this occasion.

[naomi24]

When I read some of the ill-informed rhetoric posted here I truly despair.  Comparisons to Crusaders and political activists in other areas -  and the obvious answer to the violence - psychopaths who for some strange reason are far more abundant in one group than in any other - none of it is rational.  From 9/11 to 7/7, from the Taliban to Isis to Hamas, from the slaughter at the Manchester Arena to the beheading of charity worker Alan Henning, from Charlie Hebdo when thousands of 'ordinary' Muslims in Europe and elsewhere went on the rampage demanding blood, to the vicious slaughter of Lee Rigby, to Salman Rushdie, maimed for life for writing a book - to the people who sent a teacher and his family into hiding because he had the temerity to show a class a cartoon of Mohammed, to the atrocity at the Bataclan, to the women who, despite wearing western dress in normal life, thoroughly disrespect our courts by insisting on hiding under Islamic garments before our judges, to the NHS hygiene rules that are overridden to accommodate Islamic foibles, putting public health at risk, to the girl who is currently battling her school - at the taxpayers' expense - for the 'right' to ignore rules that apply to everyone else - and the people supporting her by intimidating staff and pupils alike.  All of this and much, much more have just one thing in common.  Islam.     Make excuses for this at your peril - or more correctly at the peril of those who follow you because you're old and you won’t be reaping the result of what you're sowing.  What legacy are you leaving - and are you sure it's one you want to leave?  You make a grave error in comparing Islam to other religions, and in endowing its followers with a mindset similar to your own because it's one that those indoctrinated into this regime don’t possess.  Islam is not just a religion - it is a philosophy that doesn't compromise, that is arrogant in its determination, that has no respect for outsiders, that is the most misogynistic on the planet - something its non-Islamic champions don't seem to have a problem in over-looking - and make no mistake - justification for everything it does can be found in its literature.  It governs every single aspect of life  - even to the right way to use the toilet.  I truly believe that the west is now facing a very serious crossroads - and the life Islam imposes is not one that your children and their children will ever thank you for - so just be careful what you defend - and what you wish for.

[douglas9401]

Someone will be along shortly to tell us that these are isolated incidents and cannot be the basis for condemning a whole faith.

[Countrylover]

These are isolated incidents and cannot be the basis for condemning a whole faith.

[ToraToraTora]

Naomi, 09:36, bang on give yourself BA! for that. I hope you don't mind but I have bookmarked this and will quote you in the future when the apologists start with their fluffy bunny routine.

[naomi24]

Be my guest, TTT.  I held back.  ;o)

 

[Countrylover]

Birds of a feather flock together!

[naomi24]

I've no idea what that means, lottie.  If it's relevant to this discussion could you please explain how?  

[ToraToraTora]

So you have no comment on Naomi's excellent summary then lottie. Is your love of Islamists blinding you to the reality? Are you unable or unwilling to address the content?

[Redhelen72]

I am surprised you are shocked Lottie by the right wing nasties

[naomi24]

None more right wing than Islam, Redhelen.  That really is 'do as I say'.  There is no compromise.

[ToraToraTora]

10:24 the nasties are described at 09:36, all from your Islamist buddies. Instead of attacking the messenger have a go at the message.

[Countrylover]

I have heard enough about this subject from Naomi ror months now so won't be reading. It seems to have taken over her life now and become an obsession. 

[Redhelen72]

Oh naomi I know exactly where you and your cohort politics and thoughts towards other humans lay.

Funny how similar your thoughts and islams thought are.

I actually feel ill reading some of the stuff written on here.

[naomi24]

Make that years rather than months, lottie.  One can only try.  If it falls on deaf ears, so be it.

[ToraToraTora]

So you have nothing to say about the 09:36 post then lottie? Right oh! I think we can now take that as confirmation of where your sympathies lie.

[naomi24]

//I actually feel ill reading some of the stuff written on here.//

 

Well at least that's something we have in common, Redhelen.

[ToraToraTora]

RH: "I actually feel ill reading some of the stuff written on here." - but you are ok with the many Islamic attrocities though! Right oh!

[nicebloke1]

Sad init.