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religion and being a good person...
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why so many religious people believe that you cannot be a good person if you are not religious...?
someone on here once said ' but how can you possibly know how to be good without god in your life?'
cant remember who - it was ages ago, but i remmembered it because i was gobsmacked at what an idiotic comment it was
as though you would behave like a maniac and do terrible things unless 'someone' told you not to...
to me, being a good person is a part of humanity, of instinctively knowing right from wrong, and learning by example...it had nothing to do with gods word or religion.
why on earth do they believe this? it defies logic.
and given the atrocities committed in the name of religion its also laughable
what do you think?
someone on here once said ' but how can you possibly know how to be good without god in your life?'
cant remember who - it was ages ago, but i remmembered it because i was gobsmacked at what an idiotic comment it was
as though you would behave like a maniac and do terrible things unless 'someone' told you not to...
to me, being a good person is a part of humanity, of instinctively knowing right from wrong, and learning by example...it had nothing to do with gods word or religion.
why on earth do they believe this? it defies logic.
and given the atrocities committed in the name of religion its also laughable
what do you think?
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Actually, Keyplus, that was a quite a shocking statement to make. Are you really suggesting that people need religion to teach them right from wrong? If you need it for that purpose, which I presume you must - otherwise you wouldn't have said it - then I would suggest you seriously question your intellect.
Keyplus that is ridiculous, especially as your own religion, with it's own particular views of what defines good and bad, is only a few hundred years old.
Good and evil came first and religion came along afterwards and put it down on paper - with a little twist here or there to suit.
As if religion came before humans, what a joke.
Good and evil came first and religion came along afterwards and put it down on paper - with a little twist here or there to suit.
As if religion came before humans, what a joke.
I seriously think you are on a windup Keyplus but are you saying that if you didn't have religion you would rum amoke in an orgy of villany.
I'm good most of the time I don't qualify goodness and I don't need a contrust to quantify my goodness. On occasions when I am bad I know why I am bad, its not an unconcious decision. Morality is not given by ion it is given by humanity.
I'm good most of the time I don't qualify goodness and I don't need a contrust to quantify my goodness. On occasions when I am bad I know why I am bad, its not an unconcious decision. Morality is not given by ion it is given by humanity.
Maybe he has help . . . http://www.funnycutep.../mouse-on-a-mouse.jpg
and keyplus's nonsense is precisely why i have have asked this question...this blind ignorance and bizarre belief that people are ONLY good or bad because religion has shown them how and that without religion we would all be bad or not understand right and wrong, good and bad...its so laughable i cannot even begin to find the words to seriously discuss it
keyplus - i am not going top respond to you directly. you chose to speak to me in a rude an patronising tone so i cannot be bothered to show you any respect either by responding... plus your brain addled gibberish is not worth my time
keyplus - i am not going top respond to you directly. you chose to speak to me in a rude an patronising tone so i cannot be bothered to show you any respect either by responding... plus your brain addled gibberish is not worth my time
Naomi – If you can think of many bad things that had and still has their roots in religion then please enlighten me on few. And if that statement was shocking then I would repeat that.
ll-billym – No, unfortunately you are wrong. Religion and man came together to this world. First man was Adam (pbuh) and he was not without religion.
Dave – No, I am not a windup. However I do like pushing people onto right thinking.
Finally to all of you once again. First of all I have always asked this question and have never received an answer. Who does decide what is right and what is wrong? Only few year ago homosexuality was considered bad and sinful. Now it is crime to speak against it and I would not be surprised if it would become compulsory after few more years. Few decades ago a child out of wedlock was known as bastard and adultery was considered bad and sinful, now the child has become a love child and it has become very acceptable to live together without getting married. Don’t take this as my words and I am sure few people among you still consider it bad so which one of you believe it is good (or at least bad) and who believes it is bad. I can give so many different examples of the actions that you might call “good” but others may find that “bad” and offensive. So once again who decides what is good and what is bad? What do you think stealing or burglary is? Good or bad? You ask a burglar and he would say it is good as it gives him easy money. Had he believed it to be bad then surely he would have stopped it.
I still have to see a book of science, economics, sociology, philosophy, and even humanity that tells would tell us something good for individuals as well as society and that has no roots in religion. Common good things which no one would have question about are, do not tell lie, be courteous to others, give charity, look after the poor and so on. Where have these come from if not from religion?
ll-billym – No, unfortunately you are wrong. Religion and man came together to this world. First man was Adam (pbuh) and he was not without religion.
Dave – No, I am not a windup. However I do like pushing people onto right thinking.
Finally to all of you once again. First of all I have always asked this question and have never received an answer. Who does decide what is right and what is wrong? Only few year ago homosexuality was considered bad and sinful. Now it is crime to speak against it and I would not be surprised if it would become compulsory after few more years. Few decades ago a child out of wedlock was known as bastard and adultery was considered bad and sinful, now the child has become a love child and it has become very acceptable to live together without getting married. Don’t take this as my words and I am sure few people among you still consider it bad so which one of you believe it is good (or at least bad) and who believes it is bad. I can give so many different examples of the actions that you might call “good” but others may find that “bad” and offensive. So once again who decides what is good and what is bad? What do you think stealing or burglary is? Good or bad? You ask a burglar and he would say it is good as it gives him easy money. Had he believed it to be bad then surely he would have stopped it.
I still have to see a book of science, economics, sociology, philosophy, and even humanity that tells would tell us something good for individuals as well as society and that has no roots in religion. Common good things which no one would have question about are, do not tell lie, be courteous to others, give charity, look after the poor and so on. Where have these come from if not from religion?
Keyplus // Who does decide what is right and what is wrong? Only few year ago homosexuality was considered bad and sinful. Now it is crime to speak against it and I would not be surprised if it would become compulsory after few more years. Few decades ago a child out of wedlock was known as bastard and adultery was considered bad and sinful, now the child has become a love child and it has become very acceptable to live together without getting married. //
These things were considered bad only because religion arbitrarily decided it. The became acceptable in secular societies because personal choice is rightly valued above fascist religious dogma.
So no, homosexuality won't become cumpulsory because it is a matter of personal choice and no business of anyone else.
I have three children from two relationships, both without being married. My wife and I count both of our ex partners among our best friends and as family.
All the children well adjusted young adults. They all consider themselves as part of an extended family. All of them have lived with partners they have not married. Their partners come from families where their parents are separated. Two have well adjust young children who have numerous people they consider as grandparents.
I have no doubt you still consider all this as a huge mistake and completely wrong in the eyes of Allah. Your kind would deride us for it and pretend that despite all evidence all our children are completely screwed up. Fact is they are all fine and happy loving people but if you had your way with their minds I have no doubt they would be screwed up.
They know and understand the circumstances and have often commented on what an excellent upbringing they experienced. They are all quite happy to continue that way.
So I suggest that for once you try to step outside of your indoctrination and recognise your bigotted, prejudiced, fascist beliefs for what they are. By all means live by them yourself if that is what you want but don't for a minute believe that they are the only valid way to conduct a life.
These things were considered bad only because religion arbitrarily decided it. The became acceptable in secular societies because personal choice is rightly valued above fascist religious dogma.
So no, homosexuality won't become cumpulsory because it is a matter of personal choice and no business of anyone else.
I have three children from two relationships, both without being married. My wife and I count both of our ex partners among our best friends and as family.
All the children well adjusted young adults. They all consider themselves as part of an extended family. All of them have lived with partners they have not married. Their partners come from families where their parents are separated. Two have well adjust young children who have numerous people they consider as grandparents.
I have no doubt you still consider all this as a huge mistake and completely wrong in the eyes of Allah. Your kind would deride us for it and pretend that despite all evidence all our children are completely screwed up. Fact is they are all fine and happy loving people but if you had your way with their minds I have no doubt they would be screwed up.
They know and understand the circumstances and have often commented on what an excellent upbringing they experienced. They are all quite happy to continue that way.
So I suggest that for once you try to step outside of your indoctrination and recognise your bigotted, prejudiced, fascist beliefs for what they are. By all means live by them yourself if that is what you want but don't for a minute believe that they are the only valid way to conduct a life.
I can certainly see the view of Keyplus and Elderman (and his multiple aliases).
If they had their way our societies would be run by the rules created thousands of years ago by primitive ignorant goat herders. They are allowed to poison the minds of childen with their dogma.
It is the right in truly democratic socieites (as opposed to the theocracies they wish were our way of life) to freely present any point of view. They can continue to present their position and others will continue to robustly criticise their beliefs.
I for one am not going to stand back under some misguided notion that their fascist dogma deserves the respect of silent acceptance.
If they had their way our societies would be run by the rules created thousands of years ago by primitive ignorant goat herders. They are allowed to poison the minds of childen with their dogma.
It is the right in truly democratic socieites (as opposed to the theocracies they wish were our way of life) to freely present any point of view. They can continue to present their position and others will continue to robustly criticise their beliefs.
I for one am not going to stand back under some misguided notion that their fascist dogma deserves the respect of silent acceptance.
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