forced and arranged marriages

[nailit]

Given the recent media coverage of kids as young as 5 been forced into muslim marriages can anyone tell me, is this practice condoned in the koran or is it a cultural thing?
Also, do people who practice this kind of thing have any sense of love and affection?
I dont want an anti islam thread here, Im just curious as to why anyone would want to marry a 5 year old girl. Im well aware that in years gone by that child marriage existed in the UK. Still cant get my head around it though, just because it once happened here.
Thanks.

[jomifl]

Keyplus, what you described re. the cat scratching the post is what is known as a dispacement activity, more usually they wash themselves, it has nothing to do with embarrassment.

[sith123]

yes, but than there is common sense. you have to see if the girl looks ready, even if she has hit puberty she may not be ready mentally or physically. It is just a guideline. it does not mean you have to marry a 9 year old if she hits puberty. the majority would not do that. its just a basic guideline. Yes, some do, but then they would later learn to regret it. Also you have to remember that some things were acceptable in different times. Like back when the quran was writen 1400 years ago, that may not have been looked upon as bad, considering many people did it, christians did it, English kings did it. Of course over time this has changed and now yes, it is looked upon as overall just weird. For example in many countries the age limit is still low for example in Spain it is 14 i think. However they are looking to raise it to 16. But still that is low compared to England. Also in France the marriage age used to be 15, however it was raised 4 years ago to 18.

Overall my point is that although it says puberty it does not say it is compulsory, far from it. Trust me, the majority of muslim women do get married around ages 19-20 which you will find is fairly legal over here and in many countries. The majority of muslim men would not want to marry a nine year old. Some do, but compared to the majority it is nothing.

[jomifl]

Sith, I follow your reasoning and I am not disputing it. The main point is not that the koran enforces marriage to young girls, it obviously does not, rather it doesn't do anything to protect them from paedophile husbands, to whom it seems to give 'carte blanche'.

[sith123]

yes, i agree, however it is the fault of the muslims that do those things that they should maybe just think before they act. Also in Arab and Asian countries there are consequences for people who do that.

[naomi24]

Sith, so you would marry your nine year old daughter off if you thought she ‘looked’ ready, and if you thought she was ready mentally and physically? How on earth can any nine year old girl be ready for marriage either physically or mentally? They are not! None of them!

//The majority of muslim men would not want to marry a nine year old. Some do, but compared to the majority it is nothing.//’

It’s certainly not 'nothing' for the victims!

I realise you don’t want to say anything that opposes Keyplus’ warped opinions – or Islam’s warped dogma – but you really should think about what you’re saying. There is something very sick about men who see little girls as sexual objects - and this constant apologist nonsense from you makes sickening reading.

[naomi24]

Sith, //it is the fault of the muslims that do those things//

They do those things because your literature allows them to do those things.

[sith123]

naomi, by nothing i meant that if you took all the men that had married 9 year olds compared to the men who had not, those men who had would be like 1%.

Also i did not say i agree with it.

// Yes, some do, but then they would later learn to regret it.//

why would i have wrote this if i agreed? please tell me. Dont just start biting someones head off. Look at what they say first. Youre accusing me over something which i have said i would not do, and youre saying that i said i would do it? Get your facts straight.

[sith123]

yet there is punishement naomi. If it goes against the girls wish than there is punishment in Arab and Asia.

[naomi24]

Sith, as far as I can see I have my facts straight. I asked you if you would marry your nine year old daughter off and you said …..

//yes, but than there is common sense. you have to see if the girl looks ready, even if she has hit puberty she may not be ready mentally or physically. It is just a guideline.//

//If it goes against the girls wish than there is punishment in Arab and Asia.//

If it goes against the girl’s wish? How on earth can a nine year old child make an informed decision on marriage? You’re talking tripe, Sith.

[sith123]

i was not answering your question. i was answering the statement naomi.

[sith123]

i didnt even know you asked me something.

[sith123]

however answer for your questio would be quite easy to qork out if you could read my answer but to help you out, its a no.

[naomi24]

Oh, you answered the question, Sith. No denying that.

[sith123]

no i did not.

[sith123]

my answer is a no, i owuld not marry my daughter of at 9.

[sith123]

you just cant face it you made a mistake. ;)

[naomi24]

Well, after reading your post, that's news to me. So, in giving you the benefit of the doubt, I can only assume that you think Keyplus is wrong, and Mohammed and the Koran too.

[ummmm]

lol Sith...lol lol lol

[vetuste_ennemi]

<<... Also you have to remember that some things were acceptable in different times. Like back when the quran was writen 1400 years ago, that may not have been looked upon as bad, considering many people did it, christians did it, English kings did it. Of course over time this has changed and now yes, it is looked upon as overall just weird...>>
Apart from the small niggle that you used the word weird rather than the word wrong, this is the most sensible thing I've heard you say, Sith. Well done. Please keep up the good work.

[keyplus90]

Sith – Does not matter what reasons you would give these people, they will twist your words and show you again. I have had discussion specifically on this subject and whatever you can think of has been said and heard. And then don’t forget these people are not the only ones talking about this subject. Very simply at the time it happened was never talked about even by the worst enemies of Islam and Muhammad and still did not happen after until about 5 to 6 centuries after Muhammad (pbuh) and suddenly few people realise about it. The simplest reason is that when you can’t find anything wrong then start character chalking even if it is based upon cooked stories or nothing at all.

Then few people come and post websites like “muslim hope”, very clearly sounds an Islamic website but on the very front page you can tell that it is an Islamic website run by Christian missionaries. Fine by me if someone want to read about Islam from anti Islamic websites. But they do not want to read about Islam, instead want to pick up bones otherwise I always say to people (who are interested for knowledge same and not picking the bones) that once you have read an anti Islamic website then please go on and read a proper Islamic website too and then compare and believe in what sounds better and touches you. But few people only want to read what satisfied their desire and there is no lack of anti Islamic stuff available. Perhaps if these missionaries had spent that much time, money and effort on their own religion then today we would not have all these people who “once were” Christians.

And here is the other side of the story from someone who understands Arabic, the language of Quran. If someone is interested but I doubt it as this would not tell what many would like to read.

http://www.answering-...tianity.com/aisha.htm