The Very Mention Of Thatchers Name.
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Where is God hiding and why.?
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I do Not believe in God; despite my education which was in the Bible College of Wales.
Consequently, I say to those who are believers that, he/she is like an indifferent parent who allows its children to completely misbehave without any form of discipline being exercised.
Ron.
Consequently, I say to those who are believers that, he/she is like an indifferent parent who allows its children to completely misbehave without any form of discipline being exercised.
Ron.
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Dear vivandron I think you are wrong to reinforce their belief in god and attribute his/her/its behaviour to that of parents in the real world - a poor and fictional analogy.
AT THE SAME TIME it is not for you to evangelise on behalf of your atheism (on which we both agree).
So why not educate them honestly so that they may make up their own minds, gullible though we know the believers to be?
Why not say e.g. "Some people believe that the universe and mankind were created by a supernatural being of but others do not. The believers in the supernatural creator are termed 'theists' while the non-believers are termed 'atheists' This presents a source of controversy because the 'theists' have no evidence for their belief although they try by calling on mythical tales of their god's acts as true history.
On the other hand the 'atheists' are not obliged to prove that this supernatural 'creator' does not exist. Indeed it is a golden rule of life that you cannot prove a negative. As an example can you prove beyond doubt that Father Christmas never-ever existed and is now just sleeping, having handed his role to parents?" Perhaps the message could be softened up for the sad believers - you to judge.
AT THE SAME TIME it is not for you to evangelise on behalf of your atheism (on which we both agree).
So why not educate them honestly so that they may make up their own minds, gullible though we know the believers to be?
Why not say e.g. "Some people believe that the universe and mankind were created by a supernatural being of but others do not. The believers in the supernatural creator are termed 'theists' while the non-believers are termed 'atheists' This presents a source of controversy because the 'theists' have no evidence for their belief although they try by calling on mythical tales of their god's acts as true history.
On the other hand the 'atheists' are not obliged to prove that this supernatural 'creator' does not exist. Indeed it is a golden rule of life that you cannot prove a negative. As an example can you prove beyond doubt that Father Christmas never-ever existed and is now just sleeping, having handed his role to parents?" Perhaps the message could be softened up for the sad believers - you to judge.
Gotta love believers - now humanity has no reasoning abilities beyond a pancake!
And as for Mike111 and his Pascals Wager - In the vanishingly small likelihood that an omnipotent, omniscient god is actually found to exist, such a being would immediately know the falseness of your professed faith and the cowardice and calculation that underpins it - Any being who would then go on to reward such cravenness and favour holders of such falsely held belief over those who have arrived at honestly held scepticism based upon logic, rationality and reason cannot be a being worthy of worship and devotion in the first place.
Seriously - Pascals Wager is a risible and thoroughly stupid piece of false logic. Rather like your soundbite analogy comparing the attentions of atheists here with the travails of the Spanish Inquisition, and wishing to experience the second. Someone who would prefer to be the central attraction in an auto da fe. rather than face uncomfortable and even sarcastic comments about their faith here on AB is either a masochist or weak in faith and mind. Which are you?
And as for Mike111 and his Pascals Wager - In the vanishingly small likelihood that an omnipotent, omniscient god is actually found to exist, such a being would immediately know the falseness of your professed faith and the cowardice and calculation that underpins it - Any being who would then go on to reward such cravenness and favour holders of such falsely held belief over those who have arrived at honestly held scepticism based upon logic, rationality and reason cannot be a being worthy of worship and devotion in the first place.
Seriously - Pascals Wager is a risible and thoroughly stupid piece of false logic. Rather like your soundbite analogy comparing the attentions of atheists here with the travails of the Spanish Inquisition, and wishing to experience the second. Someone who would prefer to be the central attraction in an auto da fe. rather than face uncomfortable and even sarcastic comments about their faith here on AB is either a masochist or weak in faith and mind. Which are you?
How ironic that in Mike11111's complaint about being "bullied" by atheists he says he would prefer the Spanish Inquisition!
Dear Mike11111, the Spanish Inquisition involving 200 years of grotesque torture of innocents was carried out by the Catholic Church and therefore an act of God. Are you sure you are being bullied on medium of
free-speech and was the Inquisition by God's servants just a slight glich by God?
Dear Mike11111, the Spanish Inquisition involving 200 years of grotesque torture of innocents was carried out by the Catholic Church and therefore an act of God. Are you sure you are being bullied on medium of
free-speech and was the Inquisition by God's servants just a slight glich by God?
Thanks for explaining Ron why you went to Bible College. I am quite surprised as I always thought students attending BC were staunch Christians who probably wanted to go into the ministry or become a missionary etc. I have learnt something today. Still sad though that you think as you do, but you are entitled to your own opinion as I am too. :)
