Gods Will

[nailit]

can any believer in religion please tell me why an almighty, omnipotent god needs people to do his bidding here on earth?
Had a conversation with a couple of JW door knockers a few days ago who were convinced that they were doing gods work, I asked them why he cant do his own work. if he wants me to know about the bible why cant he tell me himself? Its something that ive noticed with others....evangelical christians, mormons etc. Its the same with muslim fanatics who believe that commiting attrocities is doing gods work. If god's got a problem with infidels why cant he sort it himself?
I'd be genuinely interested to hear from anyone who believes that they are doing gods work and tell me why god cant do things for himself.

[Khandro]

naomi; My avatar isn't meant to convey anything at all, it was a private joke with Ludwig yesterday. If that is your best level of response to anything I have said above, then perhaps you really need to try harder, ditto your lap-dog, bow - wow!

[naomi24]

Khandro, without looking, I can't remember what you said above, but I am aware that your avatar appeared as the result of a joke. I just wasn't sure you were. ;o)

[pugwashjw]

An answer to mikey 4444....Only one of us can be correct... and yes, I did leave the "r" out of powerful...
J.W's at your door will not discuss spiritual matters with those who CLAIM to be disfellowshipped...and WILL depart the scene with respect to the householder. We cannot know if a person is D/F or not. We must take their word for it.
So if you do not want to discuss the Bible, it is better to be honest and say so rather then lie about it.
The choice is yours.
And it will be respected.
Even to the extent you ask to be a " DO NOT CALL" where your address will be recorded and no further visits will happen...
However, your house / apartment will be checked on about twice a year...IN THE CASE YOU HAVE DECIDED TO MOVE ELSEWHERE.
Not even the post office will put in this effort...unless YOU advise THEM, kiss goodbye to your mail.
So wherever you move to, ONE of ourbrothers or sisters will eventuallyknock on your new door. We hope you will respond.

[naomi24]

pugwashjw, the error in your post was not leaving an ‘r’ out – it was in stating, as fact, that “Jehovah is the most powerful force in our universe…”, when there is no evidence whatsoever that such force exists at all. You may believe it, but you have no rational reason to believe it.

[mikey4444]

Thanks pugwashjw, for a very full and interesting reply.

My experiences with JWs calling at my address over the last 34 years have never been happy. I have tried everything, including being ultra polite but I have found your colleagues to be very unwilling to take no for an answer.
I have also tried being extremely rude by using a selection of frank, Anglo-Saxons phrases but these have not stopped further visits and pestering either.

I was told about the disfellowship approach a few years ago and I have found it to be highly effective, so I continue to recommend it to anyone who has had the misfortune to plagued by you and your colleagues. It is the only thing that has worked for me. Many people over the years have thanked me for the advice.

What I have never been able to understand is why you behave the way you do in the first place. Judging by the poor or non-existent response that you get when visiting my housing estate, it can hardly be worth it. I worked in sales and marketing for a few years and from my point of view you are a marketing disaster. Who else walks around housing estates in packs, carrying briefcases on a Saturday morning ? You always dress up far too much and are obviously not selling Sky packages, encyclopedias, or new energy suppliers. I wonder that you bother at all.

My worst experience was 20 years ago, when Boxing Day fell on a Saturday, and yet you still decided that it was a good day to call...quite amazing behaviour.

[Khandro]

ratter; //fortunately I have common sense on my side.
And your avatar suits you, a man that is blind and doesn't see what is glaringly obvious//
I'm happy to debate anything relevant but not a photo of a Hollywood actor from half a century ago. Regarding your door dead door-post,
You should be cautious about just what it is your "common sense" tells you. The world you inhabit is a very strange place indeed, and nothing like it might appear to be, for example; if you were to extract all the actual solid matter from every human being on the planet it would all fit comfortably into a matchbox. - The actual constituents of the blood flowing through your veins once flowed through the veins of a dinosaur. - Some pretty smart people believe there could be a three dimensional universe just a millimetre away from you, but if that universe was measured in a fourth spatial dimension you would be completely unaware of it.
One mark of intelligence is the ability to live with as yet unanswered questions, of which there are many. To the simple-minded, everything is simple.

[RATTER15]

I preferred my first answer but I will try it more politely. Khandro, You are talking in a way that makes absolutely no sense to my previous comments. Try talking with a little effort on making an iota of sense!

[vulcan42]

// No way will telling a JW you are disfellowshipped make us do what you say!
In fact we generally know where they living anyway. // goodlife
// We cannot know if a person is D/F or not. We must take their word for it. // pugwash
even our resident JW's cannot agree.

[mikey4444]

Khandro...I am with ratter here....I too can make neither hide nor hair of your comments at 08:45 today !

[mikey4444]

I don't think its the not-agreeing that is the problem Vulcan......JWs have talked such errant nonsense since the religion was invented in 1870, that they are now unable to separate fact from fiction !

( By the way, invented in America, along with Scientology and Mormonism...speaks volumes doesn't it ! )

Look at their record of predicting the future ::

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah's_Witnesses#Failed_predictions

Personally I wouldn't have much faith in a JWs capability of telling you if was raining or not, even if they stuck their heads out of the window and looked upwards.

[Khandro]

mikey; I think I understand why you are unable to "make neither hide nor hair of my comments" on death, but what I don't understand is why of all things to pick on, you choose Jehovah's Witnesses for your attacks. Surely all you need do if they, or anyone unwanted comes to your door, is say "No thank you", and close it. Perhaps you think they are an easy target on here; do you think you are breaking a butterfly on the wheel?

[naomi24]

Khandro, the reason people can’t make hide nor hair of your posts is because you have a penchant for conveniently ignoring awkward, but relevant, questions, and abandoning rational discussion in favour of airy fairy, unimpressive philosophy.

[EDDIE51]

I agree that God seems less than omnipotent , why can't he send down a few thunderbolts to smite the 'ungodly' or let loose a battalion of angels to do work?
I am reminded of the passage in 'Puckoon' by Spike Milligan where the local priest decided to wake up the congregation by calling down 'fire from heaven' during the sermon he raised his arms and said '' I call down Fire from Heaven'' nothing happened so he called again, still nothing, he called a third time and the plaintive voice of the verger floated down from the rafters '' Hang on a minute Father the cat's pissed on the matches''

[mikey4444]

Khandro...firstly I was responding to nailit's post...I repeat that he first brought up the subject of JWs, not me.

Secondly, as has been shown by others, as well as me on this thread, you post have made very little sense whatsoever, departing from English as we know it.

Have another go at your comments, this time in plain English and we will try to respond accordingly. Until then I'm afraid, the mists have still to rise.

[mikey4444]

Khandro...it is easier to get rid of nits than it is to get rid of JWs. They are persistent in the extreme. I have no wish to be pestered by them on a Saturday morning and especially not on a Boxing Day, or Easter Saturday. They are as mad as a box of frogs and I want nothing whatsoever to do with them.

My method works and I commend it to anybody that feels the same as I do.

[Khandro]

mikey; //you post have made very little sense whatsoever, departing from English as we know it.//
I'm surprised to learn that I have departed from English, if I have then I'm sorry. Please point to what you don't understand and I'll do my level best to re-phrase it.

[ll_billym]

^^ How about answering the question in the first line of the original post?

[woofgang]

I just looked at this question quickly and read it as "God's Wifi"

[Khandro]

ii=blly: From 14:48 Wed.
ll_billym;//... how about answering the question in the first line of the original post// It is unanswerable, because it is really a fatuous non-question, and was addressed by me 10:49 Tue. 24th and expanded on later, if you care to read through the thread.

Do you actually have anything to say, or do you suffer from memory loss?