Gods Will

[nailit]

can any believer in religion please tell me why an almighty, omnipotent god needs people to do his bidding here on earth?
Had a conversation with a couple of JW door knockers a few days ago who were convinced that they were doing gods work, I asked them why he cant do his own work. if he wants me to know about the bible why cant he tell me himself? Its something that ive noticed with others....evangelical christians, mormons etc. Its the same with muslim fanatics who believe that commiting attrocities is doing gods work. If god's got a problem with infidels why cant he sort it himself?
I'd be genuinely interested to hear from anyone who believes that they are doing gods work and tell me why god cant do things for himself.

[pixie373]

Actually, his words were // almost all believers of any faith do that. //

that's the second time you have "quoted" him incorrectly.

[RATTER15]

Cannedgranny, we are not twisting his words, you are the one that misquoted him!

I am simply saying that we all know and-hughes and that would be very out of character for him to be of that opinion.

[Cannedgranny]

I have to log off now as visitors are here. Sleep well.

[pixie373]

Hmmmm

[Cannedgranny]

OK pixie, you can take back the Hmmmmmm now. I am back.
What exactly does andy-hughes mean by MOST BELIEVERS OF ALL FAITHS?
75/80%? I do not believe that I am misquoting him. Also, we won't take the Islamic religion into account here.

[pixie373]

Sorry for that, cannedgranny.
I did read it the same way, that is what it says, however i really think his point was that almost all religions have some who kill. I'm hoping he will turn up to reply himself, but would be very surprised if he meant that as it looks.

[RATTER15]

I think andy-hughes had best answer that.

//I do not believe that I am misquoting him.// of course you misquoted him, that was not what he said!

A quote is.... "exactly what he said"

[naomi24]

Hang on. This is what andy-hughes actually said.

//...as long as they don't go about killing people to back up their belief systems, and sadly, almost all believers of any faith do that.//

... so to be perfectly honest cannedgranny's misquote is not too far off the mark and it is disingenuous to deny that. As politically incorrect as it may be in these [allegedly] hallowed halls to say it (political correctness was never my forte) I'll venture to say that, personally, I do think andy is often irrational - for example he claims to be an atheist but enjoys a Catholic priest's blessing which is most odd to say the least - but I really don't think he meant what he said on this occasion. It would be completely out of character. Maybe before the pedantic faithful start a gleeful war dance at the first opportunity to grasp at a hopeful straw we should wait for his explanation? Just an idea.

Khandro, you haven't answered my question and I can't think why, so I'll ask again. Do you claim to 'know' what the real thing [God] is?

[Cannedgranny]

RATTER15, this is what
was said "as long as they don't go about killing people to back up their belief systems, AND SADLY, MOST BELIEVERS OF ANY FAITH DO THAT. I am not misquoting at all. I wish I knew how to underline the capitals.

[pixie373]

No need to underline it, cannedgranny- you were right that time.

[RATTER15]

I am just saying that if you are going to quote another person you need to quote the EXACT words, that way they aren't so easily misinterpreted.

[Khandro]

"and sadly, almost all believers of any faith do that." [killing people]
Regardless of what he may or may not have meant, what he actually said, was outrageous.

[RATTER15]

Yes Khandro, we are all aware of that, we are just suggesting that it was said in error, we may be wrong. I have never heard even the most militant atheist suggest that "all believers" go around killing people, that is just absurd!!

[goodlife]

Khandro @ Many people consider this idea of direct action by God a dream or a mirage. Today intellectual breakthroughs forced us to relinquish the comforting notion of an interventionist God who would put the human house aright, But should we put our faith in the intellectual arguments and philosophies of those who have no faith in “an interventionist God”? Are not their solutions a mirage?

I find it wiser to base our hope for survival on the unerring prophecies found in the Bible that point to intervention on God’s part. It is not merely a “comforting notion” to believe God’s promises—it is the only realistic hope for survival that you have!

[naomi24]

Goodlife, I really don't understand your utter desperation for survival. The only reason you cling to your gloomily absurd religion dwelling incessantly upon death is not because you love 'God', or even because you respect 'him', but because you think your sycophancy will somehow enable you to escape the inevitable. We are all human beings with a finite life span. Nature dictates that our bodies will eventually cease to function and we will die - but none of us will know anything about it - we'll be dead - so what's to worry about? I would hate to be terrified of life as you are.

[Khandro]

goodlife; Not believing in an interventionist God does not necessarily negate a belief in God or indeed the efficacy of prayer.
In the broadest sense, to pray is to make a request in a humble manner. The term to pray is now mostly used to refer to religious prayers: to commune with a spirit or deity that you believe in. While the rituals and conventions of prayer may vary widely, for example, in Buddhism, meditation is the accepted standard form of prayer, but the intention is the same--to renew one's spiritual connection with a power outside of oneself.
If it brings comfort to believe that divine intervention is a possibility, then it does no harm, and it can do good;
If everyone genuinely wanted peace and was prepared to pray for it, it would no doubt be achievable.

[naomi24]

Khandro, you're ignoring me. Could it be that you're regretting your fingers having overtaken your brain - again?

[sandyRoe]

He doesn't sweat the small stuff.

[sandyRoe]

God, I mean. ^