Lets Suppose For A Minute That Jesus Actually Existed...

[RATTER15]

and he appeared in today's world, what would he make of today's Christians, their big elaborate churches and cathedrals, the pope and the Vatican and all their wealth etc...

I would imagine he would probably collapse in tears!

[SirOracle]

Naomi. "Why don't you tell me? Go on.....you know you want to ;o) "

Firstly Naomi I don't do proselytising,as I leave it to others on this site to generally make a fool of themselves with strange irrelevant quotations from whatever version of the Scriptures they use.

However I am unable to resist rising to your tempting bait on this occasion,but I will be brief.The founder of Christianity was of course Jesus Christ (there is a clue in the word Christianity). He then passed authority to Peter : Matthew ch 16 v 18.in any version of the N.T. that I have read .

Your response is awaited ( you know you will !),as to why you dismiss Peter in favour of Paul. ;-)

[SirOracle]

By the way I am not referring to Scorpiojo in the above post, as I am sure is very obvious.

[andres]

Well I hope that he never appears. I read somewhere that Mohammad predicted a number of events. One of them was that Jesus would come back during the last days of the Earth. So I hope Jesus stays wherever he is !

[beso]

One version of Islamic doctrine says that Jesus will come back and say he is a Moslem.

But you don't need to turn to Islam to get the End of the World prophesy. Armageddon is hard by all the Abrahamic faiths with the only difference being which believers will be saved.

The faithful all eagerly await the day when their fascist deity slaughters billions of people leaving only the followers of their cult alive. It is the motive that has driven generations of believers to instigate conflict, all hoping that Armageddon would arrive in their lifetime.

[benhilton]

Sir Oracle if you are interested in the St. Peter / St. Paul question , here are two lengthy articles about them , taken from the Catholic Encyclopedia section of the New Advent website :
Link to St. Peter :
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11744a.htm

Link to St Paul :
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11567b.htm

[SirOracle]

Thank you Benhilton. I feel that it would have been better directed in Naomi's direction,as she appears to be a bit confused about events happening around this period. ;-)

[naomi24]

SirOracle. MTH. ;o)

[vetuste_ennemi]

"Christianity" is a Pauline invention. The confusion is all yours, SirO.

[SirOracle]

Naomi.....Please what is MTH ?

[SirOracle]

Vetuste......was "confusion" a typo ? Did you mean "certainty" ? ;-)

[scorpiojo]

Evenings, SirO :)

[scorpiojo]

*evening

[vetuste_ennemi]

No external interpretation, scholarship or exegesis is needed. The dispute between the original disciples on the one hand (those who knew Jesus personally) and the man who saw the light on the road to Damascus (but had never met him) is fairly clearly documented in the NT canon itself. Read Acts, and the early Pauline epistles (especially Corinthians 1/2) to the see the arguments about, for example, circumcision.

[SirOracle]

Thank you Scorpio,and a belated good evening to you.

Having a difficult time here with the forces of darkness all around. ;-)

[naomi24]

SirOracle, //Naomi.....Please what is MTH ?//

Oh, sorry. Having marked what they considered to be sloppy homework, in order to encourage me to apply myself rather more diligently my teachers would add ‘MTH’ at the bottom of the page. ‘Must Try Harder’. You’ve shamed me into confession. ;o)

Paul clearly knew little about the Jesus of the Gospels. He is the product of further fanciful imagination and was created long after the alleged event, but Paul laid the foundation that the authors and subsequent ‘committees’ built upon.

[vulcan42]

You missed out there naomi, instead of admitting MTH was written on your homework and meant 'must try harder' you could have said it stands for Master of Theology.

[mibn2cweus]

Wouldn't have been my guess ~
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Sih9OVokuQ

[SirOracle]

Naomi Thank you for an explanation of MTH. I would like to add that my scholastic efforts were not exempted from that verdict,but the phrase was written in full,but this was many years ago and I suppose things have moved on nowadays.

Very brave of you to indulge in Public Confession which even the Church ceased to use many years ago. In fact this Sacrament has ceased and has been renamed the Sacrament of Penance. There is hope for you yet !!? ;-)

[naomi24]

SirOracle, // …the Sacrament of Penance//

The church - always the expert at encouraging guilt trips.

//There is hope for you yet//

That’s what my teachers said. :o)

Vulcan, ;o)