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What do you think it will take before our politicians eventually confront the evil of Islam in our society?
With Muslim patrols on the streets demanding sharia law, and the ever encroaching demands for more rights, isn't it time that the fight back was taken out of the hands of the far right racist groups, and dealt with by mainstream politicians?
The Quran needs to be seen for what it is, a manual for violence.
Islam needs to be viewed realistically, as a religion of hatred and division.
With Muslim patrols on the streets demanding sharia law, and the ever encroaching demands for more rights, isn't it time that the fight back was taken out of the hands of the far right racist groups, and dealt with by mainstream politicians?
The Quran needs to be seen for what it is, a manual for violence.
Islam needs to be viewed realistically, as a religion of hatred and division.
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Tambo, I have held a similar view to the one you are espousing and have defended many times on these threads the 'moderate' Muslim view, (to which I think key-plus will endorse), but of late I am sadly having to say that I am finding it difficult not to point out that I feel the moderates, (in which I include those I know personally), are not doing enough within their own community to criticise and condemn the radical elements and appear to be continually making excuses for views and behaviour which they claim to be in disagreement with.
@Theland & naomi
Is there anything in the Koran about obeying the law while in foreign lands?
(Yes, that instruction becomes twistable if you are born in what, to your parents, was a foreign land but ignore that, for the sake of simplicity).
What if "moderate Muslims" are that way inclined only conditionally? Conditional on how long it takes them to reach 50.0000001% of the electorate?
Then what?
Is there anything in the Koran about obeying the law while in foreign lands?
(Yes, that instruction becomes twistable if you are born in what, to your parents, was a foreign land but ignore that, for the sake of simplicity).
What if "moderate Muslims" are that way inclined only conditionally? Conditional on how long it takes them to reach 50.0000001% of the electorate?
Then what?
Hypognosis, Muslims are supposed to obey the law of the land wherever they may be – unless the law contravenes God’s law which is paramount over all. Given Allah’s instructions with regard to the treatment of the enemies of Islam, the perception that many Muslims have of the west and of what constitutes an ‘enemy’, that could be cause for concern – and that’s before the majority you mention is attained.
Tamborine – I believe that you do not have any reason to be afraid of the people you are friend with right now. No one will try killing you.
Khandro – I agree with part of what you said at 00:12 but I do not agree that moderate people are not doing enough. And I have no idea what else anyone can do in this regard. I, personally have had experiences here on this site where people want me to condemn a murder committed by ONE individual hidden behind a mask but the same people are not willing to condemn women and children killed by USA, Israel etc. If you ask me as a moderate Muslim (few will even argue about me calling myself moderate) then all I would say that I hope first of all Western govts look at their foreign policies and their intervention in certain countries in the name their INTERESTS . What about the interest of the people of those countries? Almost all of the most hardcore terrorists have had some sorts of links with Western agencies. Why? But the problem is that the same people who would like me to condemn these *** would turn against me if I tell them that where these *** are coming from. And of course Western invasion of a few countries in recent year has provided reasons to few people.
Then what do you call a moderate Muslim? I believe a Muslim who believes and act upon what Quran says is better than what you call a moderate Muslim. But the problem is that many people oppose Quran without even knowing what it says or the twist words according to their own wishes. Otherwise I know what my religion tells me and here are few things Islam tells me to do or not to do even when I am at war.
Do not kill women, children, people who are sick, priests of other religions, anyone who surrender, do not even kill animals, do not chase and kill anyone who runs away from battlefield, do not cut trees, do not demolish places of worship of other religions, and do not force people to change their religion, and treat captives nicely.
Don’t forget that these are the words from that time when no one would care about these things when they would invade another country. Now you tell me if you would rather have me acting upon these things or ignoring them? And finally do answer my one question. What do you think about Islam after the actions of say, ISIS? And before you answer that question I will answer it myself. I would hate Islam if that is what Islam teaches. And that is exactly the mission given to these people.
Khandro – I agree with part of what you said at 00:12 but I do not agree that moderate people are not doing enough. And I have no idea what else anyone can do in this regard. I, personally have had experiences here on this site where people want me to condemn a murder committed by ONE individual hidden behind a mask but the same people are not willing to condemn women and children killed by USA, Israel etc. If you ask me as a moderate Muslim (few will even argue about me calling myself moderate) then all I would say that I hope first of all Western govts look at their foreign policies and their intervention in certain countries in the name their INTERESTS . What about the interest of the people of those countries? Almost all of the most hardcore terrorists have had some sorts of links with Western agencies. Why? But the problem is that the same people who would like me to condemn these *** would turn against me if I tell them that where these *** are coming from. And of course Western invasion of a few countries in recent year has provided reasons to few people.
Then what do you call a moderate Muslim? I believe a Muslim who believes and act upon what Quran says is better than what you call a moderate Muslim. But the problem is that many people oppose Quran without even knowing what it says or the twist words according to their own wishes. Otherwise I know what my religion tells me and here are few things Islam tells me to do or not to do even when I am at war.
Do not kill women, children, people who are sick, priests of other religions, anyone who surrender, do not even kill animals, do not chase and kill anyone who runs away from battlefield, do not cut trees, do not demolish places of worship of other religions, and do not force people to change their religion, and treat captives nicely.
Don’t forget that these are the words from that time when no one would care about these things when they would invade another country. Now you tell me if you would rather have me acting upon these things or ignoring them? And finally do answer my one question. What do you think about Islam after the actions of say, ISIS? And before you answer that question I will answer it myself. I would hate Islam if that is what Islam teaches. And that is exactly the mission given to these people.
Keyplus, I’m convinced you don’t realise what you’re saying much of the time.
“Do not kill women”. Fair enough, but Mohammed said it was fine for their captives to take them and rape them, I’m not sure how you reconcile that with “treat captives nicely”.
“Do not kill people who surrender”, so clearly it’s permissible to kill people who don’t surrender.
I could go on, but I’m sure you get my drift.
“Do not kill women”. Fair enough, but Mohammed said it was fine for their captives to take them and rape them, I’m not sure how you reconcile that with “treat captives nicely”.
“Do not kill people who surrender”, so clearly it’s permissible to kill people who don’t surrender.
I could go on, but I’m sure you get my drift.
Wiki on the treatment of prisoners of war (the Banu Qurayza was a Jewish tribe):
"The Banu Qurayza was besieged for 25 days until they surrendered.[1] One of Muhammad's companions decided that "the men should be killed, the property divided, and the women and children taken as captives". Muhammad approved of the ruling, calling it similar to God's judgment,[8][9][10][11][12] after which all male members of the tribe who had reached puberty were beheaded.[2][13] The Muslim jurist Tabari quotes 600–900 being executed.[1][3] The Sunni hadith do not give the number killed, but state that all males were killed and one woman.[14] The rest of the women and children were sold in exchange for weapons and horses, according to Islamic sources.[1]
According to Ibn Kathir, Quranic verses 33:26-27 and 33:9-10 are about the attack against the Banu Qurayza.[2][15][16]"
The first verses cited read in part:
"..some of them you killed, some of them you took prisoner. And He[Allah] made you inherit their lands, their houses and their wealth as well as a region you had never set foot in before. And God has power over all things".
The execution of the men was witnessed by the Prophet and his child bride.
"The Banu Qurayza was besieged for 25 days until they surrendered.[1] One of Muhammad's companions decided that "the men should be killed, the property divided, and the women and children taken as captives". Muhammad approved of the ruling, calling it similar to God's judgment,[8][9][10][11][12] after which all male members of the tribe who had reached puberty were beheaded.[2][13] The Muslim jurist Tabari quotes 600–900 being executed.[1][3] The Sunni hadith do not give the number killed, but state that all males were killed and one woman.[14] The rest of the women and children were sold in exchange for weapons and horses, according to Islamic sources.[1]
According to Ibn Kathir, Quranic verses 33:26-27 and 33:9-10 are about the attack against the Banu Qurayza.[2][15][16]"
The first verses cited read in part:
"..some of them you killed, some of them you took prisoner. And He[Allah] made you inherit their lands, their houses and their wealth as well as a region you had never set foot in before. And God has power over all things".
The execution of the men was witnessed by the Prophet and his child bride.
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