Searching For Atheist Apologists.

[Theland]

I have searched in vain for atheist apologists who can present plausible theories of the origin of the universe.
So far, the ones I have found all presuppose a, "something," as a part of their definition of nothing.
Lawrence Krausse requires laws to make, "nothing," unstable.
Hawking required gravity.
An unnamed YouTube lecturer required that time was past eternal.
Can you direct me to any more?

[Theland]

Pixie at 20:45 - No I was not ignoring you, and you certainly were / are polite, and I don't think your post, now or ever, are mocking and simply seeking entertainment.
Thank you for your post and hopefully continued interest.

[pixie374]

Sorry, I understand it is natural for people to want answers. As a start...

Why is reasonable to presume that God can be eternal? Where has that knowledge come from?

[pixie374]

Thank you x

[Theland]

Mallyj - I have not been disrespectful, rude and offensive.
I respect atheists for their unbelief, and expect respect for my beliefs.
Who gets more stick on here than me?
Just read Nailits posts on here now to prove my point.

[vulcan42]

\\ Now that science has progressed so much, and aided by super fast computers to help with the maths, materialism itself is under question.//
Why is it under question, are you afraid that science will eventually prove God doesn't exist and therefore we should stop seeking the truth?

[Canary42]

You bang on so often about your "genuine enquiries" I believe it's a case of "The lady doth protest too much methinks".

That comes from Shakespeare's Hamlet Act 3 Scene 2 - just thought I'd mention that to satisfy your usual lust for sources.

[nailit]

//Just read Nailits posts on here now to prove my point//
Eh?
Just asked you a couple of questions and got no reply. That constitutes 'stick'?

[pixie374]

I don't think anyone is trying to convince Theland to change his views- each to their own.
But for theland to change the views of anyone else, will need some exceptional proof.

[Canary42]

/// Who gets more stick on here than me? ///

Awwww, diddums

[Rationalist]

Theland // you infer that nothing can be subjected to the laws of quantum mechanics. //

I infer nothing. Nor do I wish to imply anything. I do not claim to understand quantum theories; just to have some tiny, low-level understanding of what quantum foam might be.

More than that, I've spent most of my life trying to understand the limits of science and what insights religious experience might offer.

You, my friend, have faith in bucketloads.

I suspect your understanding of science – and especially modern relativistic and quantum theories – is significantly less mature.

That's fine. Less than 1% of the population has ny concept of quantum mechanics. I admire your willingness to engage on these subjects.

As I said, however, anyone, no matter how smart; how faithful; who uses the language of faith to argue in the world of science and cosmology is doomed to failure.

If you truly want to understand what cosmologists think about the origin of the universe, two good places to start are Scientific American and New Scientist.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/cosmology/

https://www.newscientist.com/article-topic/cosmology/

They're not hardcore, peer-reviewed science, but they are usually reliable sources to start on a journey toward your avowed intention to understand how and where and when the universe may have started - at least, according to the scientists.

I wish you luck in your journey.

[nailit]

Theland, I don't go a bomb on Scousers (not since been banged up in Walton jail with hundreds of the ***) but I always make an exception in your case, it therefore hurts me when you choose to see me as an enemy...
Im still waiting for that invitation to meet at Liverpool Lime street station when we can get bladdered together...

[Theland]

Getting a bit swamped with posts demanding replies.
Please give me a bit of time to answer, but not in minutes.

[pixie374]

Ok xx

[nailit]

Takes a bit of time to find you-tube vids that agree with our own point of view...

[pixie374]

Anyone can find YouTube vids for that... i'm sure theland can stick up for his own point of view....xx

[Theland]

Mallyj. - I pursue the truth wherever it leads.

[pixie374]

Where do you start from?

[Theland]

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/// Who gets more stick on here than me? ///

Awwww, diddums 21:18 Sun 17th Nov 2019

Thank you canary. I rest my case.

[Theland]

Nailit I don't see you as an enemy.
I think you are a decent chap who, I might be mistaken, is constantly searching, and can't even identify the route to take on your search.

[Theland]

Rationalist - Many thanks for your thoughtful post which requires me to study it more before replying, which I will in due course.