Message To Goodlife And The Fervents

[andy-hughes]

Have a day off from your endless soulless moralising and disdain, and have a look at some real religion in action here -

[archibaldy]

Re the Notre Dame that's not so scandalous - they turned a church into a Vodka Revolution cocktail bar and nightclub where I live in Cheltenham.

Mind you they get far more people in there now than it ever did when the God botherers were in charge so far better use of the space in my opinion.

https://www.visitcheltenham.com/eating-out/revolution-cheltenham-p2496743

[naomi24]

Many churches have become redundant and gone the way of that way, archibaldy, but we’re talking about Notre Dame. THE Notre Dame.

[archibaldy]

My point was at least Notre Dame isn't getting turned into a nightclub just yet. Although I think if it did then "The Bells" would be an excellent name.

[andy-hughes]

archibaldy - // Re the Notre Dame that's not so scandalous - they turned a church into a Vodka Revolution cocktail bar and nightclub where I live in Cheltenham. //

That's not the same thing.

In instances where church buldings have undergone a change of use, as in the case of the one you mention - they are deconsecrated first, so they no longer function as a religious building, they are simply a building, not a church anymore.

Obviously that is not going to happen with Notre Dame, so however they gussy it up, it is still going to be a catherdral.

[Khandro]

AH can occasionally talk sense!! I too was going point out the difference between change of use of a building and vandalism of a holy place.

[Khandro]

Further to the first sentence of my post of 12:57 Wed. ;

Even the Catholics are witnessing attempts to dilute their religion, by none other than the chief pontiff himself in the forlorn hope that it will somehow become more relaxed & acceptable, whereas for many it is the Mass which makes their religion all the more relevant.

'Catholics face mounting pressure to submit to rulings or commands that are increasingly at odds with the teaching of Scripture, Tradition, and even natural reason. In the Church, no better illustration of such a troubling diktat can be found than that of Pope Francis’ motu proprio Traditionis Custodes and the Congregation for Divine Worship’s Responsa Ad Dubia, restricting access to the traditional sacramental rites and intending their eventual elimination from the life of the Church.'

[andy-hughes]

None taken Khandro.

Talking sense is not difficult if you stick to facts ...

[naomi24]

Khandro, //'Catholics face mounting pressure to submit to rulings or commands that are increasingly at odds with the teaching of Scripture, Tradition, and even natural reason. In the Church, no better illustration of such a troubling diktat can be found than that of Pope Francis’ motu proprio Traditionis Custodes and the Congregation for Divine Worship’s Responsa Ad Dubia, restricting access to the traditional sacramental rites and intending their eventual elimination from the life of the Church.'//

Where did that come from?

[andy-hughes]

Speaking as someone who attends Mass regularly, I can confirm that there has been no mention of such changes, and they would have been advised if they were happening.

[douglas9401]

Many people attend many places and organisations without having the first clue about what's going on in the background or what's coming down the track.

We are, for the most part, mushrooms.

[Khandro]

naomi; //Where did that come from?
It came from here:

https://www.crisismagazine.com/2021/true-obedience-vs-revolution-in-the-church?mc_cid=0f3b5e3dda&mc_eid=cb96807d92

[andy-hughes]

Douglas - that's true, but any changes in Catholic churches are advised by a letter from the Vatican, which all priests must read out at all Masses on an advised date.

[Khandro]

At least one clergyman will not bow down, I haven't seen the video (anyone?) but Douglas Murray writes in today's Telegraph;

'An English vicar went viral this past week. A phrase you don’t have the pleasure of reading every day. The cause was a snippet of a video which went around the internet showing the priest, in church and in front of a Christmas tree, speaking to his congregation “from the heart”.

He mentioned that he had spent another set of days batting off emails from people about whether or not the church could or should be open over the Christmas period, and he said that he had something to tell people. “We are not a cinema,” he began. “We are not the O2 Arena. We are not a football match. We’re not going to play by those rules. We are a family of brothers and sisters in Christ who come together on a Sunday to worship the living Jesus Christ. Not a football match. Not a film. Nothing like that. I am not going to close our services until I am ordered by law to do so, and even if that happens it will be screaming and kicking.”

[douglas9401]

He could be taking 'Jesus saves' too literally.

[mibn2cweus]

Merry Christmas . . . Goodlife.