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Evolution or Creation???
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that is the question......!
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I'm glad to see i got a bit of a debate going. It was interesting to read your messages. Altho i have to say that you all did get really deep! ;-)
I know many people that believe in God and believe in the whole "Creation" theory.
I also know many people that believe we've Evolved.
It's good to see people speaking passionately about this!
I know many people that believe in God and believe in the whole "Creation" theory.
I also know many people that believe we've Evolved.
It's good to see people speaking passionately about this!
chakka35 - Thanks. When I have time I will do that.
JTP & Waldo - All culures have a flood story.
The evidence is there, and the fossils, although few, were not laid down layer by layer, but quickly, by a catastrophic flood. The Bible describes water also coming from the deep, presumably from beneath tectonic plates, so volume would have been no problem.
JTP & Waldo - All culures have a flood story.
The evidence is there, and the fossils, although few, were not laid down layer by layer, but quickly, by a catastrophic flood. The Bible describes water also coming from the deep, presumably from beneath tectonic plates, so volume would have been no problem.
Waldo - http://www.answersingenesis.org/Home/Area/Answ ersBook/global10.asp
Some of the evidence for the flood.
Some of the evidence for the flood.
No, not all cultures have a flood story, Theland, a lot of them do, but not all.
Most people accept that the reason these stories exist is twofold:
1) Cultures nick from each other (your own religion being an excellent example of one that co-opts other people's stories).
2) Localised floods which have a catastrophic effect in that region. No one would deny ancient localised flooding in the Middle East.
As for the water coming from below the tectonic plates, there are a number of problems with this. The first is that it's utter rubbish. There is no water beneath the tectonic plates and never has been. End of argument.
But hang on, let's assume you're correct. So, you've magically invented a load of water that is capable of covering every land mass in the world. Now all you have to do is explain how Noah, family and animals managed to survive the increase in humidity. (And of course, you have to explain how he managed to get so many animals and food stuffs into a vessel of 1,518,750 cubic feet, not to mention explain how the crew could cope with the daily volume of excrement produced).
Of course, you *can* attempt to argue that God changes the rules of physics and chemistry as he pleases and threfore the water could come from beneath the plates 'ner ner ne ner ner', but then you're back to a defence based on pure faith in the Bible. As we know - and you're yet to refute - the Bible is provably wrong, therefore your faith in it seems peculiar.
Most people accept that the reason these stories exist is twofold:
1) Cultures nick from each other (your own religion being an excellent example of one that co-opts other people's stories).
2) Localised floods which have a catastrophic effect in that region. No one would deny ancient localised flooding in the Middle East.
As for the water coming from below the tectonic plates, there are a number of problems with this. The first is that it's utter rubbish. There is no water beneath the tectonic plates and never has been. End of argument.
But hang on, let's assume you're correct. So, you've magically invented a load of water that is capable of covering every land mass in the world. Now all you have to do is explain how Noah, family and animals managed to survive the increase in humidity. (And of course, you have to explain how he managed to get so many animals and food stuffs into a vessel of 1,518,750 cubic feet, not to mention explain how the crew could cope with the daily volume of excrement produced).
Of course, you *can* attempt to argue that God changes the rules of physics and chemistry as he pleases and threfore the water could come from beneath the plates 'ner ner ne ner ner', but then you're back to a defence based on pure faith in the Bible. As we know - and you're yet to refute - the Bible is provably wrong, therefore your faith in it seems peculiar.
Well Waldo - I, along with quite a few million others, therefore have a, "peculiar", belief.
JTP - The fossils, and lack of, are explained in the link below.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/ fossils.asp
JTP - The fossils, and lack of, are explained in the link below.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/ fossils.asp
Your actual argument, as stated by you, is 'The Bible is inerrant'. Many of us have proved it isn't; Do hares chew the cud? Are bats birds? Yet, despite not offering a defence of this rather fundamental blow against your religion you're now offering, 'lots of other people do the same, so therefore I do'?
Great defence.
Great defence.
Evolution has proof, where creation requires 'blind faith'. I used to be religious, but when I grew up religion seemed somewhat pointless (to me anyway).
You can't be religious and believe in evolution, some scientists are religious. You would expect them not to be!! But it fills in the gaps that science can't yet answer.
Creation provides a nice easy answers, but is unlikely.
This to me seems fairly obvious, but people who have a lot of faith find it hard to come to terms with the cold truth of science & evolution.
You can't be religious and believe in evolution, some scientists are religious. You would expect them not to be!! But it fills in the gaps that science can't yet answer.
Creation provides a nice easy answers, but is unlikely.
This to me seems fairly obvious, but people who have a lot of faith find it hard to come to terms with the cold truth of science & evolution.
'Well Waldo - I, along with quite a few million others, therefore have a, "peculiar", belief. '
Lots of people by Westlife CDs but it doesn't mean they're any good.
Lots of people watch Big Brother but that doesn't mean it's a quality program.
Lots of people followed Hitler but that doesn't mean he was right.
Lots of people by Westlife CDs but it doesn't mean they're any good.
Lots of people watch Big Brother but that doesn't mean it's a quality program.
Lots of people followed Hitler but that doesn't mean he was right.
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