Getting to the Nitty Gritty

[naomi24]

Christians - why do you believe dogma that history proves is man-made?

[naomi24]

Theland, I have read it, but I can't see how that can encourage you to become Christian. Jewish maybe, but not Christian. That's an entirely different ball game.

[Theland]

Jesus Christ, that's why. He is the Messiah, He is the subject of the prophecies, He is the One who is predicted to return to sort out the mess in this world. And it's all coming true.

[naomi24]

But Theland, it is possible that biblical prophesies of a coming messiah could have been incorporated when writing the new testament to make Jesus appear to be the one the prophets spoke of? All of it was written after Jesus died, so all that information was at the disposal of the authors to do with as they wished.

[Theland]

The fact remains, the canon of scripture was closed for many hundreds of years when the relevant prophecies were fulfilled that got me thinking that it was all true. And it is. And the prophecies are still being fulfilled to this day.
And .... the Books are closed, have been for centuries.

[naomi24]

Theland, that has nothing to do with the question of whether the authors of the new testament could have incorporated ancient prophesies into the Jesus saga to give credence to the idea that he was the messiah.

[Theland]

Naomi - O.K. then, look at it this way.
There is a book, the Bible, completed centuries ago.
It contains prophecies that have been fulfilled, and are being fulfilled, throughout the twentieth century and continuing into this century.
That, to me, is remarkable.
So, I believe that the Bible is therefore reliable in this matter, and if this same book tells me that Jesus Christ is the Messiah, then I believe that too.

[naomi24]

Theland, the same could be said for Nostradamus, Edgar Cayce, and a lot of others, but you don't believe in them. My problem here is that the bible isn't one book. The authors of the books of the old testament seem mainly to have been recording history, as they saw it, whereas those of new testament had a completely different agenda. They were forming a new religion.

It's odd that no one bothered to document Jesus life properly and as it happened. If he really was such an important man, who had apparently been born in such exceptional (although not unheard of) circumstances, and whose coming fulfilled the ancient prophesies (which, if you believe he was the son of god, it didn't), you would have thought that someone would have recognised that and kept proper records.

[WaldoMcFroog]

Theland keeps saying the prophesies are fulfilled, but manages not to address the issue of Ezekiel 29:10-30:11 - (see http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Society-and-Cul ture/Religion-and-Spirituality/Question361774- 2.html )

To be fair, he does make an attempt a half answer here, but it's difficult to believe that an apparently reasonably intelligent person could serious believe such an intellectually fraudulent 'argument', given his apparent attempt to redefine the issue away from what he cant answer towards what he can.

He then fails to address the Fatimids issue which comprehensively destroys his belief in inerrant prophesy.

And yet, despite his inability to construct a halfway decent defence of his position, here he is yet again off on a 'prophesies all come true' trip.

[WaldoMcFroog]

"Here" in the second para should be followed by this URL:

http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Society-and-Cul ture/Religion-and-Spirituality/Question361774- 2.html

[naomi24]

Plasticine prophecies are all the rage it seems.

[luna-tic]

I prefer Playdough myself, plus you can eat it.
Sorry naomi :0)

[naomi24]

Can you really eat it Luna? I think I'd prefer fish and chips.

[luna-tic]

Yeah I think so, I read somewhere in the U.S of A they have peanut butter flavour. Chips...Mmmmm....can't eat the fish though being a non-meat eater.

[luna-tic]

A Notice To All Answerbank question posters:
I sincerely apologise for that short intermission regarding the tastey qualities of PlayDoh.
Normal service is now resumed and the nittyness of your gritts.
Thankyou

[naomi24]

Luna - Have you ever tried gritz (not sure how that's spelt)? Yuk, horrible.

[luna-tic]

No, they're usually made with lard aren't they? Ditto on the Yuk !
Goodnight naomi :0)

[naomi24]

Morning Luna, I think they boil it, and when they served it to me they put butter in it. It was truly gruesome. We'll be evicted and sent to Food and Drink soon!! Better change the subject. Wonder if gritz is good for the soul? Could be. Eating it is a bit like wearing a hair shirt - self-imposed torture. :o)

[luna-tic]

Do you remember when you said a while ago about keeping to the subject and I replied shouting "Whoa !" when it goes astray? I never thought I'd be shouting it to myself.
:)

[naomi24]

Maybe I ought to practice what I preach!!

[luna-tic]

Hey, It's all a bit of fun (even amongst the more serious debates). We're not going to change the world but it's good to talk.