FAO Naomi, JTP and Waldo (Subject Homosexuality!)

[sherminator]

anyone else can answer of course but I know they will have something good to say on this!

Righ as far as i know in the bible it is hinted at that homosexuality is against god? As far as i know it is not a majro part of the bible and only mentioned in a couple of paragraphs?(please correct me if i'm wrong!)

So my question is Why has it taken so much prominence? Why has it so heavily influenced our society and pretty much ALL society? IS humanity inherantly homophobic?

Would love to hear peoples opinions

[ummmm]

<If it's such a sin to neglect our reproductive abilities, why are priests compelled to stay celibate?>

How many religions require their priests to remain celibate? Beside Catholics....

[keyplus90]

^^^^^In short, in this day and age, people don't need to have sex in order to reproduce. See? Simples^^^^

Is that how you gave birth to your kids? Or you would like to do if you have another chance?

Ummmm – At least Islam is strongly against celibacy as it takes human away from nature and then they fall into unnatural acts. You know what I mean.

[naomi24]

Keyplus, your question is irrelevant to the discussion.

[WaldoMcFroog]

Unnatural acts like marrying a nine year old, you mean?

[keyplus90]

Yes, you are right.

[naomi24]

Keyplus, Hang on, I'm confused here. What do you mean Waldo's right to say that marrying a 9 year old is unnatural? As far as I recall, you don't see anything wrong in that.

[keyplus90]

Depending upon what era are we talking about. If someone is willing to take this thread to over 150 posts then I have no objection in repeating all what I have repeated so many times before. How old would you call a girl who is 9 years and 350 days old? 9 years or 10?

[jackthehat]

So if she was 10 it'd be ok ?

[naomi24]

Keyplus, why can't you be honest just for once and stop playing your silly games? We don't need to take this thread to 150 posts in order for you to repeat what you've said in the past. I'll do it for you right now.

//If that 9 years old has reached to her puberty and mentally normal then I will have no objection if her parents marry her to anyone of their choice and with the consent of the girl. //

[ummmm]

How can a 9 year old give consent about something she knows nothing about?

[jackthehat]

ummmm - Please don't confuse the issue by asking sensible questions ! ;o)

[naomi24]

ummmm, the same question has been asked many times, but according to Keyplus, once a girl reaches puberty she becomes a woman and is mature. So it would seem the day before a girl's first period she's a child - and overnight she becomes a woman. Make sense of that if you can, because I can't.

[ummmm]

I still don't consider my daughter to be to be a woman (she's immature) and she's 18.

[naomi24]

As I said, you try to make sense of it, because I can't - and I don't know anyone else who can.

[keyplus90]

Yes I still agree with that. And I find nothing wrong with parents marrying their daughter once she has reached puberty to someone who they believe would take care of her, just like you find nothing wrong about few parents who let their daughters have sex with different men and even have kids from as many people without anyone taking responsibility in the future, and few of them you never see after that.

Then I asked you once to give me any examples at present time that how many incidents have you heard of. You could not. Then I asked you that how many Muslims have been arrested in this country as paedophiles? You could not find there much either. People do not understand one simple point that puberty is the bottom line and most important is marriage and that is not one night stand where if you did not have sex now then you would lose your chance by the morning. In many societies in Asia and Africa including Non Muslims think of marriage and not only sex. People marry their children specially girls to someone as they believe it is their responsibility but still sometimes bride and groom do not live together years after that for specific reasons. Why can't you people think that whole world does not have to think the way you think? Why people in the west always believe that whatever they do is right?

cont:

[keyplus90]

Cont:

Reference you people use is Muhammad (pbuh) marriage to Ayesha. First of all that is not something Muslims have never heard before, then that is usually based upon ONLY ONE HADITH and Muslims do not know Muhammad (pbuh) only for that reason. Have you ever read about his life apart from odd information of the websites (and this answer I would like to have an answer to)?

However even if she was 9 (which I believe she was not) then it was very normal 1400 years ago due to various reasons. Why people at that time never objected about that? Why Christian missionaries only found something wrong with that centuries after when they realized that Muslims were getting closer to Europe? And why it was OK in USA only more than 100 years ago to marry someone at the age of 10.

Wyz – Next time ask your wife 15 days before her birthday and see what she would say. Say for example if she is 40 years and 350 days. Then let me know if she says 40years and 350 days, even let me know if she would say 41. I bet she would still say 40. But anyway according to you whole Spain is full of paedophiles as their age of consent is 13 and you do not agree with that.

[keyplus90]

So it seems that day before the girls 16the birthday (in UK) she is a child and on that day she becomes a woman?

http://www.avert.org/age-of-consent.htm

Lets see which one you agree out of this list and which one you disapprove. Even withinn USA there are differences in age. So which one do you believe is right.

[keyplus90]

Or perhaps I can ask you same question again Naomi-

Is it OK to marry (or have sex according to Western style) someone who has reached 18 but is still immature mentally, physically or perhaps both?