ANY PSYCHICS ON HERE?

[tinkerbell23]

PLEASE NO NEGATIVE COMMENTS. JUST WONDERING X

[naomi24]

I've seen one - and I absolutely detest lies.

[jomifl]

After my dictionary /frankincense experience I am now absolutely convinced of the existence of coincidences. Does anybody think they are created by god to demonstrate his omnipotence or is that me just being fanciful? How else could they occur, That koran doesn't say that they are a natural consequence of probability so they must be created... by something or somebody (probably no actual body as such) discuss...

[mibn2cweus]

The human mind has a remarkable demonstrated ability to draw conclusions based on insufficient and inconclusive evidence. Whether such conclusions warrant further investigation depends on ones own priorities, the determination of how best to relegate ones limited resources of time and effort and ones knowledge based on experience of what is most likely to provide the best return on ones investment of those limited resources.

For me, the greatest return on my investment has been derived from an investigation and subsequent understanding of the nature of conscious and the means by which we gain, and assimilate knowledge. From this essential basic understanding of human capabilities and potentials I have learned how and where to focus my attention efficiently and effectively to derive the maximum benefits I can reasonably expect to realise and how to avoid the wasted pursuits of what I've come to realise are a countless number of paths that can lead to and ultimately conclude in nothing other than a cognitive dead end.

We as humans are not born with an ability to reason but based largely on our individual intelligence, curiosity and passion for obtaining knowledge, understanding and justice, we have the potential for learning how to reason and to the extent we realise that potential we derive the extraordinary benefits of this astonishingly powerful human resource that only those who have achieved a similar degree of success can fully appreciate.

[mibn2cweus]

Ultimately, the quality of what you believe and the conclusions you reach are all based on and commensurate with the quality of your ability to reason. It stands to reason that an investment in learning and developing this crucial skill should be at the forefront of all your endeavors to achieve understanding and very high if not at the very top of your list of priorities as your success in all other pursuits rides on and will be determined by and commensurate with how well you understand and have mastered your ability to reason.

What good is a shortcut when the destination is unknown. Why be lead astray by what you are otherwise incapable of understanding should you depart from the method and relinquish the means, and what good is a conclusion when it only leaves you groping in the dark?

[flip_flop]

Then I would say you (in the case of wyzard his/her family members) may have thought you/they saw a ghost but were in fact mistaken as ghosts do not exist.

Look, I'm sorry if you feel this is arrogant, but quite simply I do not believe in ghosts, and somebody telling me they've seen one is not going to convince me otherwise (wyzard, would believe somebody if they told you they'd seen fairies at the bottom of the garden?).

The only way I will believe in ghosts is if I see one - but given that they don't exist this is never going to happen.

Consider the premise - a person dies and its visible spirit goes wandering around: its absurd!

Surely, if there are all these ghosts wandering around, we'd have some evidence of them by now - even the most basic of phones is now capable of taking a clear picture!

[naomi24]

Mibs, //The human mind has a remarkable demonstrated ability to draw conclusions based on insufficient and inconclusive evidence.//

Precisely, which is why people who have no personal experience conclude that ghosts don't exist.

Flip Flop, I think the problem arises because you have made definite statements -

'......were in fact mistaken as ghosts do not exist.'

'........but given that they don't exist.....'

You say their non-existence is a fact, but it isn't. You 'believe' they don't exist - just as I believe God doesn't exist - but you cannot claim something to be a 'fact' if you have no proof that it is - and you don't.

[naomi24]

Wyz, can you give me the name of that book about life after death you recommended please? I can't remember what thread it was on.

[naomi24]

Thanks Wyz.

[jomifl]

flip flop.. you just have to be careful how you put things, whilst some people will assert in the strongest terms that ghosts and spirits and the like exist, you are not allowed to disagree and say what you think as they will get upset and call you arrogant. If its any comfort to you most people agree wth you but the don't say so because it is not correct.

[naomi24]

jomifl, I'm surprised at you. That isn't true and it isn't fair. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but to state categorically that something is a fact when it most definitely isn't is presumptive and inaccurate - and that has, quite rightly, been challenged. I don't believe there is any bad feeling here so your sarcasm is very much misplaced.

[jomifl]

Hi Naomi, its strange how people can agree over so much and fall out over so little..You are right of course, it isn't fair. When people think they see strange insects crawling up the wall it is assumed that they have a mental disfunction or are on drugs, When they think they see ghosts.....thats OK. I know what is coming next, say it if you must but my belief that ghosts don't exist is just as valid as the beliefs of those that think they do.At least we both know how to spell frankincense now!

[naomi24]

jomifl, I didn't say it isn't fair to disagree, I said it isn't fair to tell people they aren't allowed to disagree because that simply isn't true.

[flip_flop]

I think this will solve it.....

As far as <b>I'm</b> concerned it is a fact that ghosts do not exist.

[flip_flop]

Don't the < /> things work anymore?

Why can't we have a Word toolbar like we used to have a few years ago?

The word 'I'm' was supposed to be in bold.

[mibn2cweus]

Ghosts in the machine . . .

[tigerlelly]

As I said in an earlier post the fact that so many people throughout history have claimed that they have seen ghosts surely means that something we do not as yet understand is going on. 'Ghosts' are traditionally supposed to be the spirits of dead people but some people have seen the 'ghost' of someone still alive. It could be brain/sight disfunction, it could be the result of drugs or illness or it could be a phenomenon that science has not yet identified. That is why I keep an open mind and do not disbelieve those who claim to have seen one.

[starone]

Thank goodness (not god you will notice) I cannot read minds. I think this would be horrific as the human mind must be a complete mess of contradictions and even more horrible things. I think it would send me madder than I already am. In fact if you look around you you will be able to see that all human beings are mad in some way or other. As for ghosts, I would like to see my husband again - he believed but I don't perhaps that is the difference.