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Congrats to Ricciardo but we are back to Hamilton/Rosberg again.
To be fair to Toto Wolff he did not hold back when interviewed and has clearly blamed Rosberg for the incident that ended Hamilton's race and effectively won the Championship for Rosberg.
Lauda too very vocal in his condemnation.
Monaco was bad, the last race caused more of a rift, the cynical view now is that Rosberg is blatantly cheating his way to the F1 title.
To be fair to Toto Wolff he did not hold back when interviewed and has clearly blamed Rosberg for the incident that ended Hamilton's race and effectively won the Championship for Rosberg.
Lauda too very vocal in his condemnation.
Monaco was bad, the last race caused more of a rift, the cynical view now is that Rosberg is blatantly cheating his way to the F1 title.
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How does that and any personality failings Hamilton may or may not have excuse Rosberg blatantly cheating his way to this years title?
20:36 Sun 24th Aug 2014
Doing a lap for pole and actually driving in a race are two different beats altogether. Nico is good at getting poles but then he ought to be, it's made far easier for him when his nearest rival is catching fire, suffering brake and other mechanical problems or having his 'team mate' park the car in such a way that it destroys any chance of his lap being beaten.
Had both drivers had the same amount of bad luck Lewis would be streets ahead of Nico.
Shall we see if Nico moves over for Lewis in these closing races if Lewis asks him to? Probably not, because Lewis doesn't *** on team radio on the odd occasion Nico (fairly) gets the better of him.
Had both drivers had the same amount of bad luck Lewis would be streets ahead of Nico.
Shall we see if Nico moves over for Lewis in these closing races if Lewis asks him to? Probably not, because Lewis doesn't *** on team radio on the odd occasion Nico (fairly) gets the better of him.
I don't think that it was intentional, however the attempt to overtake was and that is what Rosberg has admitted to....if the former, he could expect up to a 3 race ban from FIA and, apparently, there are calls from them to Rosberg today.
However, it was bloody stupid to pull such a stunt on Lap 2 and has possibly cost Mercedes a one-two on the constructors. If I was Wolff and Lauda, I would be seething too. Not sure what Merc can do though, as any ban on Rosberg from within is just puncturing themselves in the tyre again, so to speak. Who is the back-up driver and what prospects does he (she) have if given the seat for one race....?
However, it was bloody stupid to pull such a stunt on Lap 2 and has possibly cost Mercedes a one-two on the constructors. If I was Wolff and Lauda, I would be seething too. Not sure what Merc can do though, as any ban on Rosberg from within is just puncturing themselves in the tyre again, so to speak. Who is the back-up driver and what prospects does he (she) have if given the seat for one race....?
BRIGHT SPARK,
Maybe this is one reason why Lewis is the better driver(from a link elsewhere):
Mercedes have been struggling to keep the peace between the evenly-matched teammates since the start of the year, and arrived at Spa after a controversy in Hungary in July, where a "team orders" controversy left Rosberg aggrieved.
Hamilton had started last in that race and finished third, with Rosberg going from pole to fourth and complaining that his teammate had not let him through.
Now that, combined with yesterday proves the point. Yes, Nico got pole but was down to third by the first bend and subsequently in his panic took the actions he did. Lewis has got him mentally and he's cracking.
So who looks the better driver? As I've said earlier, even the paddock knows it's Lewis.
Maybe this is one reason why Lewis is the better driver(from a link elsewhere):
Mercedes have been struggling to keep the peace between the evenly-matched teammates since the start of the year, and arrived at Spa after a controversy in Hungary in July, where a "team orders" controversy left Rosberg aggrieved.
Hamilton had started last in that race and finished third, with Rosberg going from pole to fourth and complaining that his teammate had not let him through.
Now that, combined with yesterday proves the point. Yes, Nico got pole but was down to third by the first bend and subsequently in his panic took the actions he did. Lewis has got him mentally and he's cracking.
So who looks the better driver? As I've said earlier, even the paddock knows it's Lewis.
ChillDoubt - Lewis's mechanical failures (including the fire) are hardly Nico's fault, so I'm not sure how that helps the debate? If both drivers had the same bad luck, it is purely conjecture as to who would be in front now. On the subject of failures, both drivers had the same failure in Montreal, but one driver managed to drive around the problem and finish second!
ChillDoubt - Lewis's mechanical failures (including the fire) are hardly Nico's fault, so I'm not sure how that helps the debate?
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I didn't say they were Nico's fault, just pointing out that one driver is fighting for the title through adversity on an unprecedented scale whilst the other is using underhand tactics and collisions whilst also expecting his nearest rival in said championship to simply move over for him at his behest!
The guy is having the title almost handed to him on a plate through cheating and inaction by the FIA and he is now in danger of becoming the next Schumacher, when Schumacher was at his worst.
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I didn't say they were Nico's fault, just pointing out that one driver is fighting for the title through adversity on an unprecedented scale whilst the other is using underhand tactics and collisions whilst also expecting his nearest rival in said championship to simply move over for him at his behest!
The guy is having the title almost handed to him on a plate through cheating and inaction by the FIA and he is now in danger of becoming the next Schumacher, when Schumacher was at his worst.
//Nico is good at getting poles but then he ought to be, it's made far easier for him when his nearest rival is catching fire, suffering brake and other mechanical problems//
I'll repeat - none of that is Rosberg's fault, so the comparison is unfair and biased and adds nothing to the debate.
I see you conveniently forgot to comment about Montreal?
I'll repeat - none of that is Rosberg's fault, so the comparison is unfair and biased and adds nothing to the debate.
I see you conveniently forgot to comment about Montreal?
Chilldoubt - in case you've forgotten, in Montreal both Mercedes cars had the same mechanical problem during the race. One had to retire his car (Lewis) because of the problem, the other (Nico) managed to drive around the problem, lead the race until the last few laps and still finish second. That's not luck, just good driving with a mechanical problem that Lewis couldn't manage to do.
angie55,
Still not entirely sure what your reference to Montreal is. Could you expand?
Hamilton suffered brake failure(overheating) and had to retire but prior to that had Rosberg in all sorts of panic, to the point where he broke too hard, flat-spotted the tyre and gained a slight time advantage by not driving through the chicaine, for which he was given a final warning by the stewards, so I don't really see your point.
Still not entirely sure what your reference to Montreal is. Could you expand?
Hamilton suffered brake failure(overheating) and had to retire but prior to that had Rosberg in all sorts of panic, to the point where he broke too hard, flat-spotted the tyre and gained a slight time advantage by not driving through the chicaine, for which he was given a final warning by the stewards, so I don't really see your point.
Ah, you posted as I typed. So both had the same loss of power problem, overcame it but Lewis was subsequently beset by a brake problem and had to retire.
But then I see you conveniently forgot about Rosberg missing the chicaine but carrying on with a time advantage whilst Hamilton gave up the place immediately when he benefited from a similar instance.
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But then I see you conveniently forgot about Rosberg missing the chicaine but carrying on with a time advantage whilst Hamilton gave up the place immediately when he benefited from a similar instance.
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It's just dawned on me........
Lewis was driving very hard in Montreal, set two concurrent fastest laps in catching Nico and got to within 0.7 seconds of him before Nico panicked and decided to regain some time with his illegal chicaine dodge.
Lewis should have then got on the team radio and asked Nico to move over.....simples!!
Lewis was driving very hard in Montreal, set two concurrent fastest laps in catching Nico and got to within 0.7 seconds of him before Nico panicked and decided to regain some time with his illegal chicaine dodge.
Lewis should have then got on the team radio and asked Nico to move over.....simples!!
