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did Ferrari cheat today
they have been fined $100000 for the slight rule bending - so Alonso could collect max points, after Massa had led 50 laps before letting his teammate Alonso pass at the hairpin,
bring the sport into disrepute.
do you think they should have been disqualified or dropped down the order.
or this was a fair decision by the governing body. so far???
bring the sport into disrepute.
do you think they should have been disqualified or dropped down the order.
or this was a fair decision by the governing body. so far???
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I agree with everyone. Eddy Joirdan was right when he said it was "theft". The fans were robbed of being able to see a proper race. $100K is petty cash to a team like Ferrari!
Watching Top Gear last night about Ayrton Senna, now that was Real motor racing, when it was the driving skills of the drivers that won races and not "tweaks" to the cars. Seeing him overtake on opposite lock in the rain, Wow!!
Ferrari cheated and what a hollow victory it was!! They should have at least been disqualified from the race.
Watching Top Gear last night about Ayrton Senna, now that was Real motor racing, when it was the driving skills of the drivers that won races and not "tweaks" to the cars. Seeing him overtake on opposite lock in the rain, Wow!!
Ferrari cheated and what a hollow victory it was!! They should have at least been disqualified from the race.
I watched the entire race and the battle between Massa and Alonso was terrific. I heard the radio comment from Massa's race engineer and it could not have been clearer that he was required to let Alonso through. Fo me it stopped being a race and became a farce. I personally will not watch F1 again and I also resent the amount of money the BBC puts up to secure the tv rights for what is just a sham sport.
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They should both have been disqualified. At the very least their positions should have been reversed in addition to the fine!
The fact is now that Alonso could win the World Championship by what everyone acknowledges is cheating. If he wins by a few points, what is the world supposed to think of F1? The same it should think if it now ...
The fact is now that Alonso could win the World Championship by what everyone acknowledges is cheating. If he wins by a few points, what is the world supposed to think of F1? The same it should think if it now ...
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[Two Part Post]
I was going to pose a similar question myself after watching yesterday’s GP, but gsr beat me to it (I did not watch the race until the evening).
There is no doubt that Ferrari broke rule 39(1). In the post match press conference and interviews only team principle Stefano Domenicali made any pretence that the move was made without team orders (although Massa has since said it was his decision, no doubt after a careful de-briefing by the team).
As for previous incidents, Renault’s antics in 2008 was a far worse example, placing in peril the safety of the drivers, marshals and spectators. And they were heavily punished for it. The Schumacher/Barrichello episodes were made before rule 39(1) was introduced, and it was introduced precisely to avoid the sort of think we saw yesterday.
Alonso has form as a whinger both within his own team and elsewhere. He fell out at McLaren precisely because he was not afforded the privileges he expected and which he clearly gets at Ferrari. He whinged in Australia that he should have been allowed to pass Massa. He whinged in Valencia because the penalty handed to Lewis Hamilton for a Safety Car infringement was not sufficient to allow him to finish in front of Hamilton.
I was going to pose a similar question myself after watching yesterday’s GP, but gsr beat me to it (I did not watch the race until the evening).
There is no doubt that Ferrari broke rule 39(1). In the post match press conference and interviews only team principle Stefano Domenicali made any pretence that the move was made without team orders (although Massa has since said it was his decision, no doubt after a careful de-briefing by the team).
As for previous incidents, Renault’s antics in 2008 was a far worse example, placing in peril the safety of the drivers, marshals and spectators. And they were heavily punished for it. The Schumacher/Barrichello episodes were made before rule 39(1) was introduced, and it was introduced precisely to avoid the sort of think we saw yesterday.
Alonso has form as a whinger both within his own team and elsewhere. He fell out at McLaren precisely because he was not afforded the privileges he expected and which he clearly gets at Ferrari. He whinged in Australia that he should have been allowed to pass Massa. He whinged in Valencia because the penalty handed to Lewis Hamilton for a Safety Car infringement was not sufficient to allow him to finish in front of Hamilton.
[Part Two]
After yesterday’s race Martin Brundle declared “Ferrari are back – F1 needs Ferrari”. For once I have to disagree with Martin. He is, in my view, the most competent and knowledgeable commentator on any sport. But on this issue he is wrong. F1 does not need Ferrari. This season, until yesterday they have been also-rans (apart from Alonso’s victory in the opener in Bahrain). The sport has been none the poorer for their lack of success. In fact it has been considerably enriched, with good boisterous competition from the other teams. They did not need to do what they did yesterday. There is no doubt that bar accidents and unreliability they would have finished one-two. Prior to the race Massa was 31 points adrift of Alonso, but with 225 points still available he was hardly out of the chase.
Finally, had this been any other sport there would be uproar. Imagine a horse race where an owner has two entries and he instructed one of the jockeys to let his preferred horse win. A Stewards’ Enquiry, all bets void, suspensions from the sport and possible police investigations would ensue. The stewards should have come down hard on Ferrari yesterday with at least a drive-through penalty for both their cars. The FIA needs to take strong action to demonstrate that Ferrari is not, as they think, above the law and not, As Martin Brundle thinks, particularly necessary to the well-being of F1. But they won’t because red cars from Italy do, for some inexplicable reason, get preferential treatment.
After yesterday’s race Martin Brundle declared “Ferrari are back – F1 needs Ferrari”. For once I have to disagree with Martin. He is, in my view, the most competent and knowledgeable commentator on any sport. But on this issue he is wrong. F1 does not need Ferrari. This season, until yesterday they have been also-rans (apart from Alonso’s victory in the opener in Bahrain). The sport has been none the poorer for their lack of success. In fact it has been considerably enriched, with good boisterous competition from the other teams. They did not need to do what they did yesterday. There is no doubt that bar accidents and unreliability they would have finished one-two. Prior to the race Massa was 31 points adrift of Alonso, but with 225 points still available he was hardly out of the chase.
Finally, had this been any other sport there would be uproar. Imagine a horse race where an owner has two entries and he instructed one of the jockeys to let his preferred horse win. A Stewards’ Enquiry, all bets void, suspensions from the sport and possible police investigations would ensue. The stewards should have come down hard on Ferrari yesterday with at least a drive-through penalty for both their cars. The FIA needs to take strong action to demonstrate that Ferrari is not, as they think, above the law and not, As Martin Brundle thinks, particularly necessary to the well-being of F1. But they won’t because red cars from Italy do, for some inexplicable reason, get preferential treatment.
Ferrari were fined $100,000. The cheapest Ferrari in the UK sells for about $220,000 (£144,000). No wonder the FIA are known as "Ferrari's International Assistance".
Yes they did cheat. Whether you agree with the rules or not, they are the rules. If Red Bull had ordered Webber to let Vettel past in Turkey, then Vettel would be 25 points better off, fact is they raced each other, crashed and it cost dearly. Why should Ferrari be exempt? Why are they allowed to cheat?
Does the punishment fit the crime - no. Alonso gained advantage and should be disqualified. Ferrari should be fined more, a lot more (Mclaren fined $100,000,000 but Ferrari fined $100,000. Even though Mclaren's offence might have been more serious, is that really proportionate?) Ferrari should also lose all constructor's points from that race. Massa, although I sympathise with the position his was placed in (no doubt his contract was on the line), still cheated, so, given mitigating circumstances would give him a 25 second penalty.
It's a terrible shame that almost to the day of the anniversary of his near fatal accident in Hungary, Felipe was robbed of a superb victory and the viewers were robbed of a great race.
Yes they did cheat. Whether you agree with the rules or not, they are the rules. If Red Bull had ordered Webber to let Vettel past in Turkey, then Vettel would be 25 points better off, fact is they raced each other, crashed and it cost dearly. Why should Ferrari be exempt? Why are they allowed to cheat?
Does the punishment fit the crime - no. Alonso gained advantage and should be disqualified. Ferrari should be fined more, a lot more (Mclaren fined $100,000,000 but Ferrari fined $100,000. Even though Mclaren's offence might have been more serious, is that really proportionate?) Ferrari should also lose all constructor's points from that race. Massa, although I sympathise with the position his was placed in (no doubt his contract was on the line), still cheated, so, given mitigating circumstances would give him a 25 second penalty.
It's a terrible shame that almost to the day of the anniversary of his near fatal accident in Hungary, Felipe was robbed of a superb victory and the viewers were robbed of a great race.
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