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If A Christian Couple Can Be Fined For Refusing To Sell Something They Believe Is Against Their Religion Then Why No Action Against This Person?
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OK, so IMHO religion is the root of most evil but lets forget that bit because what I am trying to understand is why there seems to be one rule for one and another for a certain other religion we all have to bend ovcer backwards to accommodate?
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'What on earth is the point of going on about who actually said, specifically what.'
Because, as I pointed out in a previous post, it paints the employee in a worse light than she might otherwise have been shown in.
I believe the Mail and other papers deliberately skewed the reports to make it ambiguous (unless you read carefully) who said what to whom.
As for commenting whether companies should employ people who don't want to do specific tasks due to their beliefs, Naomi has already pointed out that this is illegal. There are ways round this but Tesco and M&S don't seem to want to do this. For whatever reason.
Because, as I pointed out in a previous post, it paints the employee in a worse light than she might otherwise have been shown in.
I believe the Mail and other papers deliberately skewed the reports to make it ambiguous (unless you read carefully) who said what to whom.
As for commenting whether companies should employ people who don't want to do specific tasks due to their beliefs, Naomi has already pointed out that this is illegal. There are ways round this but Tesco and M&S don't seem to want to do this. For whatever reason.
//if Tesco has 100 people in a store why would it matter to anyone if only 99 serve alcohol so long as customer service measures are in place to cope //
It wouldn't matter....as long as the "1" was willing to abide by the measures in place to cope. Instead of feeling empowered to make snap personal choices in the name of religion. geddit?
It wouldn't matter....as long as the "1" was willing to abide by the measures in place to cope. Instead of feeling empowered to make snap personal choices in the name of religion. geddit?
Togo - ////Where exactly do you want this discussion to go from here? //
Nowhere, I want it to stay right there. Where it should have stayed all along, without the usual excuse makers feeling they had to deflect the truth or twist the fact. As long as people are prepare turn a blind eye or a deaf ear to such behaviour it will carry on, and indeed increase. //
This may come as a bit of a shock, but no-one on this thread has turned either blind eye or a deaf ear.
People have attempted to drill a little below the superficial surface of the incident to see what has actually gone on, as opposed to the slant the paper has put on it, but that does not equate with ignoring the facts of what has taken place.
Your have gone to extraordinary lengths to paint this shop worker as a religious zealot with the avowed intention of flouting the rules by which she is employed, and with the bonus of upsetting a white Anglo-Saxon man into the bargain.
Repeated attempts by myself and various others to show that this is not what actually took place have fallen on deaf ears and blind eyes - yours.
So let me re-phrase my question - what else do you think can be posted by you or anyone else that has not, in some form, been offered on this thread already?
Although, if you are looking for people to see this from your point of view, apart from those already declared, i think you are going to be disappointed.
Nowhere, I want it to stay right there. Where it should have stayed all along, without the usual excuse makers feeling they had to deflect the truth or twist the fact. As long as people are prepare turn a blind eye or a deaf ear to such behaviour it will carry on, and indeed increase. //
This may come as a bit of a shock, but no-one on this thread has turned either blind eye or a deaf ear.
People have attempted to drill a little below the superficial surface of the incident to see what has actually gone on, as opposed to the slant the paper has put on it, but that does not equate with ignoring the facts of what has taken place.
Your have gone to extraordinary lengths to paint this shop worker as a religious zealot with the avowed intention of flouting the rules by which she is employed, and with the bonus of upsetting a white Anglo-Saxon man into the bargain.
Repeated attempts by myself and various others to show that this is not what actually took place have fallen on deaf ears and blind eyes - yours.
So let me re-phrase my question - what else do you think can be posted by you or anyone else that has not, in some form, been offered on this thread already?
Although, if you are looking for people to see this from your point of view, apart from those already declared, i think you are going to be disappointed.
//Repeated attempts by myself and various others to show that this is not what actually took place have fallen on deaf ears and blind eyes - yours. //
Then do tell us what you think "actually took place". The shopper is a liar? Tesco is apologising for something that didn't happen? The shop assistant is in fact not employed there? The bottle of Rose was Ribena? What would you like to believe? You would indeed be the Pinball Wizard but two out of three is no cigar.
Then do tell us what you think "actually took place". The shopper is a liar? Tesco is apologising for something that didn't happen? The shop assistant is in fact not employed there? The bottle of Rose was Ribena? What would you like to believe? You would indeed be the Pinball Wizard but two out of three is no cigar.
Togo - //Then do tell us what you think "actually took place". //
No problem.
A shopper took a bottle of wine to be sold to him by an employee who declined to do so for religious reasons. The gentleman was then served by another member of staff.
Now you can research, and analyse, and quote, and speculate through to next new Year's Eve if you want, but beyond what I have stated, the rest is known only by people who were there, who may or may not have had their versions reported accurately by the various media who carried the story.
// The shopper is a liar? //
Unlikely, but I don't know for sure.
/// Tesco is apologising for something that didn't happen? //
Please refer to the above answer.
//The shop assistant is in fact not employed there? //
And again.
//The bottle of Rose was Ribena? //
And finally again.
//What would you like to believe? //
It's not a matter of what I would 'like to believe' - but what I do believe is that an isolated incident was blown up by a right-wing paper with an anti-Muslim agenda to appease its readers.
You would indeed be the Pinball Wizard but two out of three is no cigar.
I don't smoke.
No problem.
A shopper took a bottle of wine to be sold to him by an employee who declined to do so for religious reasons. The gentleman was then served by another member of staff.
Now you can research, and analyse, and quote, and speculate through to next new Year's Eve if you want, but beyond what I have stated, the rest is known only by people who were there, who may or may not have had their versions reported accurately by the various media who carried the story.
// The shopper is a liar? //
Unlikely, but I don't know for sure.
/// Tesco is apologising for something that didn't happen? //
Please refer to the above answer.
//The shop assistant is in fact not employed there? //
And again.
//The bottle of Rose was Ribena? //
And finally again.
//What would you like to believe? //
It's not a matter of what I would 'like to believe' - but what I do believe is that an isolated incident was blown up by a right-wing paper with an anti-Muslim agenda to appease its readers.
You would indeed be the Pinball Wizard but two out of three is no cigar.
I don't smoke.
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