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Would You Class The Eu As A " Tyranny "?
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Clearly they are not openly using the traditional tyrannical methods but I assert that the imposition of arbitrary rules and a an unstoppable march to federalism by an unelected corrupt entity does constitute a form of Tyranny over independent democratic nations. What say you?
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Tyranny Def. Dictionary.
11:11 Mon 02nd Apr 2018
“cassa, we've had leave voters on here claiming they voted leave because they cant get their favourite lightbulbs, or a decent vacuum cleaner,…”
Once more then I’m out.
My reference to vaccum cleaners and light bulbs was made in a wider context (as Zacs well knows). My reply was in response to continued requests for examples of the ways in which the EU effects my daily life. Here is the relevant passage:
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"When I said it does not affect my daily life I did not mean that it does not affect me at all. Our membership of the EU does not prevent me conducting my life on a daily basis with some modicum of order. However there are countless items of legislation that have been introduced by the EU that do affect me. I cannot have a proper vacuum cleaner (next will be regulations on hair-dryers, toasters and kettles); I cannot buy incandescent light bulbs; I cannot buy duty-free goods in Europe; I cannot enjoy a separate “UK passport holders” queue at Gatwick; I pay a tidy sum on my energy bills to satisfy the EU directive on Climate Change and the use of so-called renewables. Each one small beer, I agree. But my list is by no means exhaustive and these are beers that should not be for an unelected super-quango to serve."
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And I concluded that answer with this:
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"As I keep saying, it’s not what they do but the fact that they can do it and I don’t think we will ever resolve that fundamental difference between us."
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I made it quite clear in this and other answers I gave to the three or four Brexit questions posed over that past few days that it is not the individual actions of the EU that is my concern. It is the fact that they have the power to take these actions. Zacs knows this quite well, but has chosen to ignore that opinion and instead suggest I want to leave the EU so I can buy a particular light bulb or vacuum cleaner. The logic goes something like this:
NJ: “I want the UK to leave the EU because I don’t like the idea of being governed by unelected foreign officials.”
Zacs: (x2 or 3) “Give me three examples of what they have done to you.
NJ: (reluctantly and among other things) “I cannot buy my choice of light bulbs or vacuum cleaners.”
Zacs: So you want to leave the EU because you cannot buy your choice of light bulbs or vacuum cleaners.”
This constant cherry-picking of responses to irrelevant specific questions posed is extremely tiresome and unproductive, especially when valid counterpoints are made but ignored.
I’m always willing to engage in sensible debate but over the last few days the debate has become nonsensical. I mentioned in one of my replies that I wasn’t sure whether Zacs was missing the point or being deliberately obtuse. I am sure now and I may be a little more circumspect when it comes to sharing my apparent ignorance.
Once more then I’m out.
My reference to vaccum cleaners and light bulbs was made in a wider context (as Zacs well knows). My reply was in response to continued requests for examples of the ways in which the EU effects my daily life. Here is the relevant passage:
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https:/
"When I said it does not affect my daily life I did not mean that it does not affect me at all. Our membership of the EU does not prevent me conducting my life on a daily basis with some modicum of order. However there are countless items of legislation that have been introduced by the EU that do affect me. I cannot have a proper vacuum cleaner (next will be regulations on hair-dryers, toasters and kettles); I cannot buy incandescent light bulbs; I cannot buy duty-free goods in Europe; I cannot enjoy a separate “UK passport holders” queue at Gatwick; I pay a tidy sum on my energy bills to satisfy the EU directive on Climate Change and the use of so-called renewables. Each one small beer, I agree. But my list is by no means exhaustive and these are beers that should not be for an unelected super-quango to serve."
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And I concluded that answer with this:
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"As I keep saying, it’s not what they do but the fact that they can do it and I don’t think we will ever resolve that fundamental difference between us."
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I made it quite clear in this and other answers I gave to the three or four Brexit questions posed over that past few days that it is not the individual actions of the EU that is my concern. It is the fact that they have the power to take these actions. Zacs knows this quite well, but has chosen to ignore that opinion and instead suggest I want to leave the EU so I can buy a particular light bulb or vacuum cleaner. The logic goes something like this:
NJ: “I want the UK to leave the EU because I don’t like the idea of being governed by unelected foreign officials.”
Zacs: (x2 or 3) “Give me three examples of what they have done to you.
NJ: (reluctantly and among other things) “I cannot buy my choice of light bulbs or vacuum cleaners.”
Zacs: So you want to leave the EU because you cannot buy your choice of light bulbs or vacuum cleaners.”
This constant cherry-picking of responses to irrelevant specific questions posed is extremely tiresome and unproductive, especially when valid counterpoints are made but ignored.
I’m always willing to engage in sensible debate but over the last few days the debate has become nonsensical. I mentioned in one of my replies that I wasn’t sure whether Zacs was missing the point or being deliberately obtuse. I am sure now and I may be a little more circumspect when it comes to sharing my apparent ignorance.
NJ, I'm not being deliberately obtuse. Your statement 'I made it quite clear in this and other answers I gave to the three or four Brexit questions posed over that past few days that it is not the individual actions of the EU that is my concern. It is the fact that they have the power to take these actions'
This does not answer my question 'how does the EU affect your daily life' and merely serves to demonstrate that you voted leave on a supposition or an unsubstantiated assumption that they will one day take over Europe.
I reassert that the only practical reasons you could provide were the lightbulbs, vacuum cleaners, cheaper 'leccy bills , a few quid off your favourite tipple in duty-free shops and the fact you don't like to queue separately at airports.
This does not answer my question 'how does the EU affect your daily life' and merely serves to demonstrate that you voted leave on a supposition or an unsubstantiated assumption that they will one day take over Europe.
I reassert that the only practical reasons you could provide were the lightbulbs, vacuum cleaners, cheaper 'leccy bills , a few quid off your favourite tipple in duty-free shops and the fact you don't like to queue separately at airports.
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