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French Guillotine For The Uk
President Macron has said that the UK’s due date of departure from the EU on October 31st is the “final, final deadline” and that there will be no extension.
So why, instead of 'doing something', do nothing and leave by default, - in other words, be given the boot, without need of a majority meaningful vote?
So why, instead of 'doing something', do nothing and leave by default, - in other words, be given the boot, without need of a majority meaningful vote?
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Theresa May has made many mistakes during this process, imo the worst was allowing the very idea that there would be a 'meaningful vote' before any action could be taken, but as there was and still is, a majority on MPs who wish to remain, she being one of them, it will always be impossible to leave. Real leadership would never have allowed this proviso and we have the Machiavellian figure of Dominic Grieve & his cohort to thank for its instigation early on.
The Parliamentary vote should have been clearly advisory, and I am reminded of the Principal of a University at which I once taught, who after a vote had been taken by the academic board, would say, "Thank you, I value your opinion and I will bear it in mind when I make my decision on this matter".
The Parliamentary vote should have been clearly advisory, and I am reminded of the Principal of a University at which I once taught, who after a vote had been taken by the academic board, would say, "Thank you, I value your opinion and I will bear it in mind when I make my decision on this matter".
One can not agree a deal with oneself. And May is not the UK and the UK hasn't agreed. Normally this wouldn't matter, we'd leave it in government hands, but it matters significantly when the proposed agreement is to not exit as the country demanded and was promised, but to just take our name off the list and never be able to leave properly unless the EU allows it. Unless it is an exit deal, it is simply invalid, so nothing is or can be agreed at present. Therefore the EU has agreed nothing, they have just used May to take the Mickey.
Old Geezer,
The May Deal does not tie us into joining the Customs Union or the Economic Area. Quite the opposite. If it did, it would probably have been approved by Parliament by now. Because it doesn’t, the Tory Remainers, Labour and the LibDems voted against the Deal.
We need to leave before we can move onto the next phase. But we need to do that from a position of strength, not a position of abject irrelevance. We need to come out of Brexit strong, not as complete nobodies.
The May Deal does not tie us into joining the Customs Union or the Economic Area. Quite the opposite. If it did, it would probably have been approved by Parliament by now. Because it doesn’t, the Tory Remainers, Labour and the LibDems voted against the Deal.
We need to leave before we can move onto the next phase. But we need to do that from a position of strength, not a position of abject irrelevance. We need to come out of Brexit strong, not as complete nobodies.
The new treaty obligations of the "backstop" binds us to the Customary Union at least to that point when the unbinding aspirational "future agreement" is decided and the practical measures for border control between Ireland North and South established.
There is, however, no legal possibility of the UK's exiting this treaty unilaterally. Neither, you might ask, would there be any incentive for the EU to entertain such an idea. The indefinitely extended into the future "transitional arrangent" allows the EU to decide, and impose by new bodies of governance (financed by the vassal nation itself) new laws amd regulation governing the conditions of trade, environmental standards and social "entitlements". Only the most hardened cynic would assume malice of the EU: they wouldn't deliberately act to harm the interests of one of their largest trading partners, would they? But if, perversely, they did so choose, the UK without its representation in the Commission would be powerless to resist.
There is, however, no legal possibility of the UK's exiting this treaty unilaterally. Neither, you might ask, would there be any incentive for the EU to entertain such an idea. The indefinitely extended into the future "transitional arrangent" allows the EU to decide, and impose by new bodies of governance (financed by the vassal nation itself) new laws amd regulation governing the conditions of trade, environmental standards and social "entitlements". Only the most hardened cynic would assume malice of the EU: they wouldn't deliberately act to harm the interests of one of their largest trading partners, would they? But if, perversely, they did so choose, the UK without its representation in the Commission would be powerless to resist.
Crying over spilt milk maybe, but it's worth looking at where she went wrong during her disastrous tenure;
Losing the Conservative majority in the House of Commons after calling a snap General Election in 2017.
Losing 1,334 councillors in the May 2019 local elections, resulting in the party’s worst local election result in 24 years.
The Conservative Party coming in fifth place in the May 2019 European Parliament elections, in what was described as the worst election result in the party’s 185-year history.
While surviving a party confidence vote, May was subjected to attempts by her own MPs to change party rules to run another within the same year.
Conservative grassroots also sought to trigger their own confidence vote for the first time in the party’s history.
Failing to pass her unpopular, EU-approved withdrawal agreement in the House of Commons three times — the third time occurring on the day the UK was originally scheduled to leave the EU.
Instead of reaching out to party Brexiteers after her deal failed for a third time, the prime minister instead invited the leader of the opposition, known Marxist Jeremy Corbyn, to the negotiating table.
Thirty-six ministers from both sides of the Brexit divide had resigned from May’s Cabinet since April 2018.
Delaying Brexit twice — in the end, to October 31st — after promising 108 times that the UK would leave the EU on March 29th.
This is what happens if you put someone in charge of leaving who really wants to remain, - now please bring on a resolute leaver!
Losing the Conservative majority in the House of Commons after calling a snap General Election in 2017.
Losing 1,334 councillors in the May 2019 local elections, resulting in the party’s worst local election result in 24 years.
The Conservative Party coming in fifth place in the May 2019 European Parliament elections, in what was described as the worst election result in the party’s 185-year history.
While surviving a party confidence vote, May was subjected to attempts by her own MPs to change party rules to run another within the same year.
Conservative grassroots also sought to trigger their own confidence vote for the first time in the party’s history.
Failing to pass her unpopular, EU-approved withdrawal agreement in the House of Commons three times — the third time occurring on the day the UK was originally scheduled to leave the EU.
Instead of reaching out to party Brexiteers after her deal failed for a third time, the prime minister instead invited the leader of the opposition, known Marxist Jeremy Corbyn, to the negotiating table.
Thirty-six ministers from both sides of the Brexit divide had resigned from May’s Cabinet since April 2018.
Delaying Brexit twice — in the end, to October 31st — after promising 108 times that the UK would leave the EU on March 29th.
This is what happens if you put someone in charge of leaving who really wants to remain, - now please bring on a resolute leaver!
'A CROSS-PARTY group of MPs have already held advanced discussions to stop Brexit in a damning blow to the next Prime Minister.' so says the Express;
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As I imply in the OP, why not do nothing? instead of rushing off again to Brussels with alternative plans which will only be rejected, or try to convert the majority of MPs who will fail to carry out the manifestos of their parties which they agreed to, simply wait and let it happen, everything will work out - the backstop? let it sort itself out along with every problem that arises.
Don't go away mad, just go. The French even have an expression for it themselves; [i] filer à l'anglaise [i] which we are famous for; - leaving without permission.
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As I imply in the OP, why not do nothing? instead of rushing off again to Brussels with alternative plans which will only be rejected, or try to convert the majority of MPs who will fail to carry out the manifestos of their parties which they agreed to, simply wait and let it happen, everything will work out - the backstop? let it sort itself out along with every problem that arises.
Don't go away mad, just go. The French even have an expression for it themselves; [i] filer à l'anglaise [i] which we are famous for; - leaving without permission.
......The new treaty obligations of the "backstop" binds us to the Customary Union at least to that point when the unbinding aspirational "future agreement" is decided and the practical measures for border control between Ireland North and South established.......
A deal that is reasonable and good for the UK cannot be had while tied to the EU in this manner.
Anyone with an iota of sense knows this. Anyone who thinks we can just wait it out for a good deal is deluded at best.
A deal that is reasonable and good for the UK cannot be had while tied to the EU in this manner.
Anyone with an iota of sense knows this. Anyone who thinks we can just wait it out for a good deal is deluded at best.
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