When Did A Charivari Change From A Brattle Of Disapproval To A Chorus...

[sandyRoe]

Of approval?

[jno]

I take a brattle to be a non-human noise (like a rattle) and a chorus to be a human one (or at dawn, an avian one). Could it depend on which species you're talking to?

[Mamyalynne]

Good point,, twas once called "ran tanning", along with many other terms.

I recall from being about 11 being woken on holiday at a holiday camp and everyone was banging their pots and pans in anticipation of a good day.

[shoota]

Was it ever indicative of disapproval?

[Mamyalynne]

More an expression of disapprroval or humiliation.

[sandyRoe]

Shoota,
I think in Victorian times it was.
If the neighbours were outside your door rattling their pots and pans they were signalling they wanted you out.

[JimF]

Rough music.

[shoota]

I thought a charivari was a joyous party like cacophony.
Never heard of a brattle tho.

[JimF]

Oxford Dictionary of English:
charivari: noun - a cacophonous mock serenade, typically performed by a group of people in derision of an unpopular person

[Mamyalynne]

Interesting too that even 700 or so years on kitchenware is still often involved.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charivari

[shoota]

I remember the term from circuses when I were a lad last century, I can remember a parade led by the white face clown in the pointy hat playing a trumpet, with clowns honking horns and bands and whips cracking etc...

[sandyRoe]

If the word now rightly describes our expressing of our approval of the courage of NHS workers I'm all for it.

[Mamyalynne]

Absolutely, applause,bang your pan lids or even quiet praise for all who are working hard to help.

[Theland]

I just try to support one of my sons who is a carer and in a tricky environment.
He's good at his job, skilful and compassionate, but sadly underpaid as they all are.

[Spicerack]

I thought charivari were octopus legs or somesuch foreign muck.

[sandyRoe]

Are you thinking of Calamari?
Squid.

[Spicerack]

That'll be it. Same thing innit.

[sandyRoe]

'Up to a point, Lord Cooper. Up to a point.'

[Spicerack]

Lol, you can tell me I'm wrong, Sandy. Up to a point.