'Racist' Milwall Fans - Your View?

[andy-hughes]

There has been controversy about the reaction to players 'taking the knee' at a weekend game, where Milwall fans were heard to boo the players involved.

https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/fa-launch-probe-after-millwall-4774697

It appears the FA are investigating the potential for action against the club for the 'racsist actions' of its fans.

Personally, I don't believe that showing your disapproval of an act of support for a social campaign - or a political organisation, depending on your viewpoint, equates to either not supporting that campain / organisation, or to actively advising your support of an opposite point of view.

Put simply, I don't believe that booing 'taking the knee' makes anyone a racist.

It's an assumption that has no basis in reason, and to me, it shows people being far too keen to look at a negative attitude to one behaviour, and ascribe it possessing a negative attitude to another, with no viable connection.

I am not a football fan, and I wouldn't ever boo anyone, or any action in public, but I do strongly dislike the pointless OTT woke-ism and self-righteousness of 'taking the knee' and I believe it has no place in our sports arenas, but if anyone were to accuse me of being a racist for expressing that view, we would be having serious words.

What are your views?

[andy-hughes]

Ellipsis - // > Once again you are using a faulty analogy.

No, I'm responding to Spicerack writing "People are sick of having the 'correct' view constantly pushed at them in every facet of their lives." //

That's why I C & P every answer to which I am responding - it avoids confusion about whom I am addressing.

// i.e. they don't want to be told not to boo, they want to be allowed to boo if they want to - no matter what the booing represents. //

That's what free speech means - people can express their view without having their motives questioned by people more anxious to be seem to be doing what a vocal minority see as the right thing, instead of having the dignity and common sense to see that they are not mind readers.

I could accept that from someone like Wayne Rooney - but not from an organisation in charge of a multi-billion pound business.

[Spicerack]

No person should like to be told when they can't boo, nor cheer. Only thick PC people want that kind of control over other people.

[Khandro]

As I said previously, everyone has the right to boo at whatever they want to, it seems that nobody booed tonight, so everyone is happy, it would appear this is a good outcome.

[andy-hughes]

Khandro - // As I said previously, everyone has the right to boo at whatever they want to, it seems that nobody booed tonight, so everyone is happy, it would appear this is a good outcome. //

Maybe the FA can waste some more time and money 'investigating' why no-one booed this time!!!

[Ellipsis]

> No person should like to be told when they can't boo, nor cheer.

Nor chant, nor throw bananas. I only mention these actions because we are talking about football fans. If booing players taking the knee is on the same spectrum as a monkey chant, then it's as unacceptable as a monkey chant. Of course, many people do not find monkey chants unacceptable, and so of course they wouldn't find booing unacceptable. So much the better for them, then, if booing players taking the knee is a permitted expression of racism.

> Only thick PC people want that kind of control over other people.

Control over other people should be ended, not increased. Racism is a form of control, the expression of power - "We are better than you, because of the colour of your skin. Know your place."

[royfromaus]

Zacs-Master
By you as well, Roy?
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I think (wrongly) I was one of the targets, so left it to others.

[andy-hughes]

Ellipsis, for the third time, monkey chanting is only ever done for one reason, and everyone knows what that reason is.

Booing on the other hand can be instigated by an entire range of reasons, so once again, your comparison does not stand up.

[Peter Pedant]

oo-la-la footie fans !

qu'est-ce qui s'est passe a Paris entre PSG et Istanboul? = = = =
zad eez....
sozza that is .....what happened in Paree this evening? PSG and the turkish team walk off the field because racist language was used
but what and to whom? (*)
Insta-red card to the assistant coach for language who looks well cote d-ivoirien actually

(*) or in AB speak - who dat to den?

[Khandro]

The Virtue of Booing: (stand by for Godwin's Law)

If people had booed Hitler in the 1920's, when he first started strutting his stuff - some did, but they were too few in number & too late, paying a heavy price - he would not have come to power in 1933 & WWII could have been averted.

[ichkeria]

Not only booed but thrown in jail.
Didn’t really help in the long run.
Then he could have been assassinated but the plug was pulled on the attempt.
That would have worked, you feel.

[Khandro]

ichi, I remember talking to an elderly German lady a long time ago who had lived through that 20s period, she said, "They wore brown shirts & brown everything, everything was brown, we used to call them, 'die Scheiß-Partei' " (the s h* t party). The trouble was many felt like that but they were quickly silenced - some permanently! So that's why theses things need to be nipped in the bud & why I'm on the side of the Millwall fans, which actually seems to have had some effect btw.