Russell Brand

[smurfchops]

Why is all this suddenly coming out years later? 

[Deskdiary]

She managed to appear in the NOTW just after in her skimpys and was paid a load of money, so you're playing fast and loose with the word "victim".

[andy-hughes]

Deskdiary - Appearing in a national newspaper involves choice.

Having your private life announced to the public, and your grandfather, does not involve choice. 

That's why she was, and is, a victim.

People don't lose their right to respect and privacy because they behave in a way that you, or anyone else, thinks makes them ineligible for the rights everyone else expects as a matter of course.

[Zacs-Master]

'Appearing in a national newspaper involves choice'

does it? How does that work, Andy?

[Ellipsis]

You're the one playing fast and loose with the word "funny" ... it wasn't funny for her. As she said, she went to drink and drugs, it was a very dark time, and in later years Brand apologised. Does somebody have to kill themselves for others to think it wasn't funny after all?

[Canary42]

The more  I read about this guy, the more repulsive he seems. On her chat show, he asked Feltz if he could screw her and her teenage daughter. Vile vile vile.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/vanessa-feltz-russell-brand-daughters-083904259.html

[tomus42]

To answer the original question, we don't know.

There have apparently been rumours about Brand for years, like there were for Savile. 

If he is guilty, at least he will pay for his crimes unlike Savile.

[Peter Pedant]

he asked Feltz if he could screw her and her teenage daughter. Vile vile vile.

alan clark the politician, ( kenneth clarke's son) actually did this and wrote about it

[Peter Pedant]

People don't lose their right to respect and privacy because they behave in a way that you, or anyone else, thinks makes them ineligible for the rights everyone else expects as a matter of course.

yes they do, if they waive the right....

god AB on a wed night. jesus

The are some rights are inalienable ( see the much abused american constitution) - and er some arent

[andy-hughes]

Zacs - //

'Appearing in a national newspaper involves choice'

does it? How does that work, Andy? //

From deskdiary's description, it would appear that the lady in question chose to pose for a photoshoot, possibly an interview, he doesn;t say, and was paid accordingly.

That is appearing in a national newspaper by choice.

 

[andy-hughes]

Peter - //

People don't lose their right to respect and privacy because they behave in a way that you, or anyone else, thinks makes them ineligible for the rights everyone else expects as a matter of course.

yes they do, if they waive the right.... //

How do you suggest those rights were 'waived' in this instance?

 

[Peter Pedant]

People don't lose their right to respect and privacy....

I took this as 'all people'....

there is a subset of people who waive it, and they lose their right...

( whereas for example you dont lose your right to life even if you say yes you can murder me  = inalienable right, see american constitution. Havent I said this before?).

[ I dont want to get into : "People dont lose...." means SOME people dont lose..... or ALL people dont lose. ]

[Peter Pedant]

oh and can we have another reprise of

'there is always the off switch' - ( R4 a few days ago - followed by: "I dont actually  listen to him")

[andy-hughes]

Peter - A 'sub set of people'?

I have no idea what you are talking about.

[bazwillrun]

1: I have always disliked him intensely...totally irelevant

2:Of the alleged offences, id be amazed knowing a fair bit about him from his own admissions if hes totally innocent of all of them.

3: after collecting all this so called evidence why did C4 not go straight to the police with it ? but instead aired the program ?..find a body in the woods you go to the police first...you dont make a program and air it first

4: Theres thousands of people spouting the same stuff as RB all over online platforms and other places, hes not saying anything new or thats not already being spoken about, so why are they going after him.

5: From what i can tell its already backfiring on all fronts

 

[naomi24]

Appearing in a national newspaper doesn't involve choice when it's detrimental to the subject.  That's nonsense.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - In the specific case to which I referred, it appeared from the post I answered, that the lady in question posed for pictures, was interviewed, and paid for both.

That was her choice.

If someone is written about in a paper, for any reason  good or bad, that is not their choice.

I trust that makes the distinction clear.

[andy-hughes]

Sorry, she was  paid for both.