The murdered two year old

[maggie01]

I went to see my grand-daughter who was two yesterday. Watching her playing and enjoying life, so I was really shocked to read a little girl of two had been murdered in her bed. What scum could do this to an innocent little girl.
It is on the news at the moment and apparently her uncle has been arrested.

[sp1814]

Dom Tuk

Wow...!

Why don't you say what you mean, and stop beating about the bush.

Pulling your leg.

I don't think he should be killed (perhaps we could call it 'executed' instead).

Wouldn't it be better to put him in prison for life...and by life, I mean actual life, rather than 25 years?

[mariner2]

Unfortuneately we have come so far from sanity in this country now that you can't even have a debate on the death penalty, no matter how deserving of it the case is.
So we'll spend 3 grand a week keeping this filth in pampered protected luxury, then let him go.
Makes you want to emigrate.

[Lonnie]

Reading todays paper, apparently, it was both the uncle and father who was arrested, but have now been released.
Better wait for further investigations.

[naomi24]

Gina, yes, I would feel the same if it happened to one of mine . I would want him executed as quickly as possible.

[naomi24]

Gina, I thought I'd posted an answer, but it's not here so I'll try again. Yes I do think I'd feel the same if it were one of mine. I would just want to rid society of this man swiftly and without delay.

[sp1814]

Not sure that convicted child killers live in the lap of luxury.

Question - do you think we should adopt the same system of justice meted out in some less enlightened parts of the world?

Would you be happy with public beheadings?

What about hanging in public?

I ask because I have young nephews and if anything like this happened to them, I would want the perpetrator killed..slowly.

But at the end of the day, would that make me happy? Would I dance all the way to work?

Doubt it.

And if God forbid, something like that happened to someone you cared about, I doubt for a second that it would make the greif any more bearable.

I don't know for sure, but I don't think that it would act as a deterrant or serve justice.

Let me just reiterate before anyone comes down on me for being woolly on this...I don't hold liberal views on crime and punishment...I just don't believe in the death penalty

[Dom Tuk]

sp1814...why should a country that has capital punishment be less enlightened. if anything they are perhaps more in tune with human nature.

[naomi24]

Gina, yes I would feel the same if it were one of mine, but it would do me no good to torture him - I would just want him executed.

[naomi24]

Oops, seem to have gone overboard here. I thought my posting wasn't working, so tried again and again. Now you have my thoughts several times! Sorry everyone! Must try harder!

[Goodsoulette]

I am rubbish with stories like this, I cry every time I hear something like this and have done ever since I became a mother. If someone just hurt my kids deliberately , I would have no problem in sending someone round to cause them a slow painful death. Although thats why we have a justice system, its hard to know what should be done to people who commit crimes against children. They could never ever be trusted again, and do not deserve to ever be happy again. I cant bring myself to call for the death penalty to reintroduced, even in such horrific circumstances. I agree with SP1814, its not going to make anyone any happier in the long run, not the parents.... they still have to live with the fact that their child suffered whilst they weren't there to protect them and I know that is what would eat me up till my dying day if something happened to one of my boys. I always get a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach when I empathise with parents in this situation.

[Goodsoulette]

and Dom Tuk, what an awful thing to say. We used to have a guy who ran the local video shop, he was a strong member of the community, involved in scouting trips etc etc, my friend was abused on a trip away with him when she was 13 yr old girl, her mum was in the next room. How was she to blame? People who do these things are very clever at gaining peoples trust thats how they get in the position to be able to do these things. It disgusts me when people apportion blame to anyone other than those who commit the crime.

[gedk]

I agree with most of the posts on here, I am the mother of a two year old child and this story had me in tears yesterday. This excuse for a human being should be removed from the planet as soon as he is found guilty. Anyone who can rape and murder a child who is essentially still a baby is beyond all hope and redemption. I for one don't see why I should have to breathe the same air as him.

With a bit of luck his real "punishment" will be waiting for him courtesy of his cell block chums when he gets inside. I hope he suffers a living hell every single day of his miserable life.

[maggie01]

I am not sure Dom Tuk was saying a 13yr old would be to blame, only that you are more able to see what a man sees in someone who could be seen as a young woman. Still no excuse. But what can a man see in a two year old. It is even worse because he is a member of the family. Everytime I read or hear a bit more, I feel physically sick. How in heavens name can a man rape a two year old.

[mariner2]

Those of you that think people like this get a beating everyday in prison because of what they did to a child are sadly mistaken - what actually happens is that are accorded special protection at vast expense to ensure that this can't happen, and if it does, they can of course sue the prison service for lack of protection thanks to some clever lawyer.
The importance of their "human" rights comes WAY before that of the life of an innocent child.

[aurelia]

Sexual abouse happens in secret and the most common perpetrator is not a stranger as in the Ian Huntley's of this world but a family member.

the story says that it was the child's uncle which is very common and in the majority of cases the family do not know it's one on whether they are drug users or not so I don't agree with Dom Tuk about the parents just because they were in the house at the time. It also mentions that the family were known to social services. If they were addicts thn this could be why and they probably had regular visits.