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ok bare with me I don't even know if this makes sense....
Key plus always argues that islam is more 'correct' than Christianity-as in less flaws and loopholes...
And I also think Islam is younger than Christianity?
well does it follow then that the most complete religion should be scientology........does it follow that the younger the religion the more 'correct' they are?
Just the ramblings of a mad man bored whilst eating my Branflakes this morning!!!
Key plus always argues that islam is more 'correct' than Christianity-as in less flaws and loopholes...
And I also think Islam is younger than Christianity?
well does it follow then that the most complete religion should be scientology........does it follow that the younger the religion the more 'correct' they are?
Just the ramblings of a mad man bored whilst eating my Branflakes this morning!!!
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Women are closeted because men are tempted. It's as simple as that. Therefore, the fundamental fault lies within the male mentality. Women are condemned to a lifetime of subjugation for crimes that may potentially be committed by men, so perhaps more emphasis should be placed on teaching them to respect women as human beings in their own right.
Artificial separation of boys from girls has repeatedly proven to promote unhealthy attitudes. Theistic obsession with sex roles emphasis on male domination results in the endorsment of primitive values becuse they see a single step in moral development as "the" defining advance and cannot move beyond.
Indeed like most religion they began in the context of major philosophical breakthroughs. Unfortunately they inevitably go on to become repositories of stagnant reactionary doctrine completely losing their initial momentum for change. Breakaway groups start with reformation but go in to expouse their own flavour of "The One Truth".
The problem here is religious thought itself. By its own definition there can be only one train of thought. It easily gets bogged in a quagmire of subjective judgement parading as "holy" inspiration.
Religion is to take something on faith even in the face of contrary evidence. "A highly esteemed belief." No God required. There are many non-deistic religious belifs that stand in the way of human progress but at their roots they all use exact same principals of theistic philosophy. Presume rightuousness and kill or conquer those who disagree. Eliminating all opposition always was a sure way to win an argument and evoke universal reverence for its principles.
Religion is not the way to rise beyond the rot but a putrid abcess of infection. I want a world where we step beyond this self serving religious caveman consciousness and stop pretending some philosophies deserve our unconditional respect.
Indeed like most religion they began in the context of major philosophical breakthroughs. Unfortunately they inevitably go on to become repositories of stagnant reactionary doctrine completely losing their initial momentum for change. Breakaway groups start with reformation but go in to expouse their own flavour of "The One Truth".
The problem here is religious thought itself. By its own definition there can be only one train of thought. It easily gets bogged in a quagmire of subjective judgement parading as "holy" inspiration.
Religion is to take something on faith even in the face of contrary evidence. "A highly esteemed belief." No God required. There are many non-deistic religious belifs that stand in the way of human progress but at their roots they all use exact same principals of theistic philosophy. Presume rightuousness and kill or conquer those who disagree. Eliminating all opposition always was a sure way to win an argument and evoke universal reverence for its principles.
Religion is not the way to rise beyond the rot but a putrid abcess of infection. I want a world where we step beyond this self serving religious caveman consciousness and stop pretending some philosophies deserve our unconditional respect.
The demise of religion could only come about through education. This is why fundamentalists repress education, substituting real knowledge with what is at best reflection upon the manifestation of the deity in the world around us.
Although many religious people have contributed to the development of real knowledge it was promoted only while they were comfortable that the reality would indeed reflect their supposition. Research that did not match their expectations was quickly crushed. At worst the study simply becomes the rote learning of the holy stories and practicing the enforcement their primitive cult.
Theism's vulnerability is the holy books. We need to know and understand the centrepiece of their cults. It is the only evidence for every belief they have. Debunk the books and it debunks thefaith. Lifelong devotees are not going to drop it but their grandchildren might live free of the encumberances.
Traditionally we were taught that one did not enter in discussion of religious beliefs while those who propounded them were free to quote. We have a right to reply to this rubbish and the more we can make ourselves heard the more children will grow up with at least an inkling that the tradional stories of their forebears might not be the higher morality as claimed.
Although it will never completely die out, given a few generations, religion could become irrelevant.
Although many religious people have contributed to the development of real knowledge it was promoted only while they were comfortable that the reality would indeed reflect their supposition. Research that did not match their expectations was quickly crushed. At worst the study simply becomes the rote learning of the holy stories and practicing the enforcement their primitive cult.
Theism's vulnerability is the holy books. We need to know and understand the centrepiece of their cults. It is the only evidence for every belief they have. Debunk the books and it debunks thefaith. Lifelong devotees are not going to drop it but their grandchildren might live free of the encumberances.
Traditionally we were taught that one did not enter in discussion of religious beliefs while those who propounded them were free to quote. We have a right to reply to this rubbish and the more we can make ourselves heard the more children will grow up with at least an inkling that the tradional stories of their forebears might not be the higher morality as claimed.
Although it will never completely die out, given a few generations, religion could become irrelevant.
I read an interesting piece analysing the British Social Attitudes survey that's just come out. http://www.natcen.ac....al-attitudes/findings
Author Prof David Voas said: ‘The results suggest that institutional religion in Britain now has a half-life of one generation, to borrow the terminology of radioactive decay.
‘Two non-religious parents successfully transmit their lack of religion. Two religious parents have roughly a 50/50 chance of passing on the faith. One religious parent does only half as well as two together.’
Beso's right. The better educated people are, the less likely they are to subscribe to religious beliefs.
Author Prof David Voas said: ‘The results suggest that institutional religion in Britain now has a half-life of one generation, to borrow the terminology of radioactive decay.
‘Two non-religious parents successfully transmit their lack of religion. Two religious parents have roughly a 50/50 chance of passing on the faith. One religious parent does only half as well as two together.’
Beso's right. The better educated people are, the less likely they are to subscribe to religious beliefs.
Beso and Waldo, true, but the adults have to be educated before the children can be educated and how is that to be achieved when people fill their children's heads not only with the appalling concept of sin and retribution, but with the pathos of gentle Jesus meek and mild - and look at this - taught from the cradle:
http://www.whyislam.o...sts.asp?TID=5691&PN=1
Practically every one of those nursery rhymes centres on religion. Even Incy Wincy Spider has been contaminated with Allah! What chance do the chilldren have?
How does one overcome that mindset? We can see from the discussions on R&S alone that all rational arguments, and on occasions all plain facts, are rejected without the slightest consideration.
http://www.whyislam.o...sts.asp?TID=5691&PN=1
Practically every one of those nursery rhymes centres on religion. Even Incy Wincy Spider has been contaminated with Allah! What chance do the chilldren have?
How does one overcome that mindset? We can see from the discussions on R&S alone that all rational arguments, and on occasions all plain facts, are rejected without the slightest consideration.
That is just the point Naomi. The adults will not abandon their religion. We have to make the truth about religion something that children will hear about while they grow up. This will take multiple lifetimes to change in the western world and much longer In the middle east. The theistic extremists are well entrenched there now.
I would support real study of the holy texts in schools as literary and ethical topics. A new kind of religious education class. Fat chance of it happening any time soon though. The belivers don't like the to face the truth about their book or have its foundation beliefs analysed.
I would support real study of the holy texts in schools as literary and ethical topics. A new kind of religious education class. Fat chance of it happening any time soon though. The belivers don't like the to face the truth about their book or have its foundation beliefs analysed.
Waldo, that's an interesting study, and probably quite accurate as far as Britain and other western nations are concerned, so perhaps we will eventually see the demise of some faiths. However, as Beso says the theistic extremists are well entrenched in the east now, so I should imagine we'd be hard pushed to find a set of Muslim parents anywhere who would, or could, admit to having no faith.
Beso, it's a great pity but I can't see it happening either. This is why I feel it's important that we know the books and the history of those books. History is vital - although neither truth nor logic currently make any impact on the faithful. I agree with both you and Waldo that better educated people are less likely to adhere to a religious belief - and for obvious reasons - so one can only hope that by emigrating to the west and taking advantage of what the west has to offer, young Muslims will gradually come to realise and acknowledge the truth. Perhaps, rather than succeeding in 'showing us the way', which Keyplus once told us is the real purpose of Muslim immigration, the shift west will backfire on Islam, and will eventually prove to be the final downfall of the greatest lie ever told.
Beso, it's a great pity but I can't see it happening either. This is why I feel it's important that we know the books and the history of those books. History is vital - although neither truth nor logic currently make any impact on the faithful. I agree with both you and Waldo that better educated people are less likely to adhere to a religious belief - and for obvious reasons - so one can only hope that by emigrating to the west and taking advantage of what the west has to offer, young Muslims will gradually come to realise and acknowledge the truth. Perhaps, rather than succeeding in 'showing us the way', which Keyplus once told us is the real purpose of Muslim immigration, the shift west will backfire on Islam, and will eventually prove to be the final downfall of the greatest lie ever told.
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