Re-education

[123everton]

So how do you differentiate between those with extremist views and the moderates, Rev? Keyplus is a family man, hardworking, pays his taxes, but if you read his posts you'll find his views far from moderate, so how do you square that?
I read this in a different thread, so how do you deal with people who are quiet law abiding citizens who hold views others dislike?
Re-education was suggested, but how could this be implemented or enforced?
Is it only Muslims in need of this re-education?
How would you define which views are "moderate" and which views are "extremist"?
Is forceable re-education (brain washing) not extremist?

[Ankou]

so you are not going to answer the quesiton then noami

[naomi24]

No, I'm not, Ankou. My capacity for suffering fools gladly, or otherwise, is rapidly diminishing.

[Rev Sermon]

Is re-education perhaps the wrong word here? I think the original idea several posts ago was more along the lines of building bridges and friendships with the general muslim poulation. By removing the them and us barriers, by "getting -on", by listening to each others views you are less likely to push moderate muslims into the arms of the extremists. Thats not re-education.

Regarding views, opinions etc. we all disagree with each other on here but that doesn't mean we need re-educating. Lots of westerners even atheists might not like the concept of page 3 for example, there is plenty of room for dissent and objection as long as it doesn't involve hurting others.

I disagree with much of the muslim way of life but I would venture to say that in some areas I would agree with them and that "we" have gone to far. I don't approve of women feeling they have to cover up completely but then again when I see a 9 year old dressed up like a sex object I wonder if we should exercise a little more restraint ourselves.

[naomi24]

//I think the original idea several posts ago was more along the lines of building bridges and friendships with the general muslim poulation. By removing the them and us barriers, by "getting -on", by listening to each others views you are less likely to push moderate muslims into the arms of the extremists.//

Common sense at last! Thank you Rev. That is more or less precisely what I said.

//The actual suggestion was to re-educate the people who want to blow us up to enable them to integrate and become responsible members of our society.//

I rest my case.

[Ankou]

"by listening to each others views you are less likely to push moderate muslims into the arms of the extremists"

but rev, thats a bit of a large presumption that they will become extremists. and any discourse along those lines - whilst i would agree with you - generally descends into a farcical tirade of you said i said, with a smattering of all round scourn. espeially on ab.

[tamborine]

Re-education......isn't that what the mosques are doing to muslim youth? Teaching them hatred of UK & infidels and encouraging jihad. The mosques vile indoctrination of moslem uni students (whose education is paid/subsidised by UK tax-payers) is abhorrent; insulting to host country and causes dissent among vulnerable students & youth.

There are other faith churches/temples etc in UK that preach their God's books but not at the cost of murder.

[123everton]

So what is all the nonsense of hauing up ladders and I'm alright Jack?
Are you saying now that the Muslims are not about to take over the country?
Do you disagree with the findings of the link I provided?
They are markedly similar to your own, it amuses me, you'll cross thread badgering people to answer your questions (that's debate), you'll berate them for not replying quickly enough, you'll follow Ankou(?) onto other threads to prove he's around (that's reasonable) but, when someone qusetions you're views (well that's just rude) I did not want his to be a question about you, just the views held and espoused.
I have through the course of the last few days (I'll make a small concession to you) successfully demonstrated that your views may not be fascist in their intent (mmm), but they will become fascist in their application, as history teaches us.
Many years ago a man (an atheist man to boot)with some very simplistic notions and a great line in rhetoric predicted that a certain member of the Abrahamic sect would bring about the end of the world and with their pernicious ways rule over us all, such Messianic drivel is to be deplored and derided.
To the anti Muslim mob, if you substitute Muslim for Jew see how quickly the parallels show themselves up, that is the danger we need to avoid.
It is only through debate that we can demolish such abhorrent inhuman and un-British ideas.

[beso]

Specific reeducation with alternative doctrines is not a viable option. Doctrine itself is the problem.

What needs to change is the notion that one must respect religious belifs. Those who openly criticise the beliefs of the faithful are still widely villified as troublemakers. Meanwhile society continues to accept the churches' open criticism of secular philosophy. But then the churches are no strangers to hypocrisy.

We need to promote the understanding that no philosophy is above criticism. Religious beliefs have long dominated much of the planet through a long history of brutal supression of criticism. In some places, speaking out against the church continues to invite violent retribution and death. Such punishments are supported by the tennents of Sharia Law.

In other places criticism is supressed by the villification of critics. This is where we can and should change. Those who resist this change are central to the problem.

[naomi24]

Everton, I'll ignore your continuing blind refusal to read and understand what I've said, but simply say that, contrary to popular religious propaganda, that man you refer to wasn't an atheist.

Here's a quote from him:

'I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.'

[Ankou]

oh no it isnt