Am I Right To Be Feeling This Way?
Family Life2 mins ago
Shoes off!
Now this is probably just media propaganda but do you think thast it is acceptable that house raids on suspected terror houses that our armed response service have to remove their shoes before entering a muslim house to make arrests? I just find the image of several pairs of Doc Martins or whatever on the doorstep quite amuing, as to avoid being disrespectful to the house occupants. This was reported in the express yesterday I think!
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Fair enough smudge. Today I've been tarred with the brush of being a bleeding-heart soft-touch PC liberal. I really don't see myself as that sort of person, just because I like to see respect in our world.
I actually agree with everything you said in the PS section of your post before last, I was just a bit worried by the "PC-brigade" comments. Measured comments shouldn't come across as racist - yours were, so didn't! If you see what I mean! :-p
good smudge , I am off to get some LED lighting for my decking, builders today eh! Having a relaxing week in the windy weather, thinking of going to Paris next weekend for a mini break. Hope you are doing better smudge and hope that your grandkids will be up shortly to make the most of the improving weather with you.
ODDLY E-BLINKING-NOUGH...
MY religion requires that anyone (police, burglars, murderers, itinerant plumbers, invading armies, etc.,) gives me a phone call 3 and a half hours before they intend to smash my front door down.
No-one has the right to hamper my religious views and practices. Least of all the police of such a barbaric state as the one i was born and brought up in. The nasty sods.
If they do break in without thus warning me (my religious rights I value above all else), and find my hidden stocks of heroin, McKenna BrainWash CDs, and Homemade-Marmalade-(with-rind) bombs, then I'll see them in court.
Actually, coming from a methodist background, I'm biased. i'm the black sheep of a religious family, but my sociology education tells me that such radical sects as methodism were a key factor in the role religion played in preserving the status quo in this land of the fre(e/ak) at some point, by stopping people going in pubs, which were hotbeds of uprising etc.
personally, i would never go in a pub, and am all for people murdering each other in the name of religion, and also for the police (god bless 'em) having the right to break into anyone's house without a moment's notice. ~Though if they don't at least wipe their feet, they'll have my wife to answer to...
Good night, God Bless (sic)
Icemansav, I would'nt even argue with acw. Your post was not rascist, acw just likes to throw that word around as a scare tactic to shut up anyone who has an opinion that differs from his own. The pc lot have been using those methods for years. acw, I bet you think it's rascist to call yourself English instead of British dont you? You may be educated but you havent got much common sense!
These are the salient points of the instructions given to Bedfordshire County Police:
Rapid entry a last resort, and raids into Muslim houses are to be discouraged.
Police should not look at unclad Muslim women.
No entering occupied bedrooms or bathrooms at any time.
No police dogs.
No cameras or camcorders unless advice regarding their use has been requested.
Muslim prisoners to be allowed to take additional clothing with them if arrested.
Police are not to interrupt anyone at prayer. Let them finish.
Police officers should remove their shoes before entering Muslim houses.
The justification for pre-dawn raids has to be clear and transparent.
Non-muslim police are not allowed to touch holy books or artefacts.
Believe it or not.
Rapid entry a last resort, and raids into Muslim houses are to be discouraged.
Police should not look at unclad Muslim women.
No entering occupied bedrooms or bathrooms at any time.
No police dogs.
No cameras or camcorders unless advice regarding their use has been requested.
Muslim prisoners to be allowed to take additional clothing with them if arrested.
Police are not to interrupt anyone at prayer. Let them finish.
Police officers should remove their shoes before entering Muslim houses.
The justification for pre-dawn raids has to be clear and transparent.
Non-muslim police are not allowed to touch holy books or artefacts.
Believe it or not.
These are the main points of the instructions issued to the Bedfordshire County Police.
Rapid entry has to be a last resort.
Raids into Muslim houses are discouraged for reasons of religious dignity.
Police should avoid looking at unclad Muslim women.
No entering occupied bedrooms or bathrooms, even before dawn.
No Police dogs.
No cameras or video recorders without first seeking advice regarding their use.
Muslim prisoners to be allowed to take extra clothing to the station.
If someone is praying, police are to stand aside and wait until they have finished.
No shoes to be worn in Muslim houses.
No pre-dawn raids without transparent justification.
Non-Muslim police are not allowed to touch holy books or artefacts. Instead, a Muslim police officer in a state of Wudhu (prayer preparation) should be used.
Hopefully, this formula will be applied in the case of Christians, Jews, Mormons, Scientologists and others. Don�t hold your breath.
Rapid entry has to be a last resort.
Raids into Muslim houses are discouraged for reasons of religious dignity.
Police should avoid looking at unclad Muslim women.
No entering occupied bedrooms or bathrooms, even before dawn.
No Police dogs.
No cameras or video recorders without first seeking advice regarding their use.
Muslim prisoners to be allowed to take extra clothing to the station.
If someone is praying, police are to stand aside and wait until they have finished.
No shoes to be worn in Muslim houses.
No pre-dawn raids without transparent justification.
Non-Muslim police are not allowed to touch holy books or artefacts. Instead, a Muslim police officer in a state of Wudhu (prayer preparation) should be used.
Hopefully, this formula will be applied in the case of Christians, Jews, Mormons, Scientologists and others. Don�t hold your breath.
Smudge, thats what im saying. We have the right to say we are English like anybody else has the right to say they are Pakistani, or Indian, or Irish, or whatever. But I personally have actually been refused to join a Doctors surgery because I accidently said English instead of British in regards to being asked my nationality when the Indian Doctor was filling my form out. She went mad, I had to go somewhere else. Surely this is pc gone mad!
Heeh!! Heeh!!
acw, honey I'm sorry, but that made me laugh when you got defensive about icemansav's statement about PC ness being in your genes. - That was just a figure of speech wasn't it, Icemansav doesn't even know your family and to think that you deduced his words to mean he was denigrating your family was so funny!! :-)
To answer the original question, I don't think its necessary to remove your shoes if you're doing a raid on a muslim house. I support non-violence, but it doesn't make sense, removing your shoes and then proceeding to turn the suspect's house upside down, looking for weapons, does it?
