Legally Acceptable?

[littlegraftersmu]

if a person in a supervisory teaching role were to send a generic message to a whole group or people parents of other pupils about a family parents and children that they were trouble causers would this be legally acceptable

[littlegraftersmu]

no I am not the kind of teacher her is but as I said in the beginning I am also
rubbish with tech! but thanks any way Daisy, i am sure it would be nice to be perfect.
To get it over ruled, well as it was a while ago, it wasn't every refused to be honest, I heard on the jungle drums that some were afraid of letting this guy in incase other skaters wanted to try him as my daughter was beginning to stand out my daughters coach wanted the extra support so instead of asking the permission of lower management i went to senior management first?simple stuff but not battling with any one. Not really into confrontation, life is tough enough without creating problems. When this coach came in his technique was turning heads as he commanded good result, so naturally others were contemplating asking him for help too. I think the coach that has branded us trouble causers saw this as a threat and went to management with a this is our business and we have to protect it kind of plee. sorry for lack of punctuation ectagain I am in a bit of a rush.:-) no offence intended it would take forever for me to look for the appropriate keys

[FredPuli43]

Not following how branding one child or one parent troublemakers helps the coach who complained. His objective is to safeguard his position. He doesn't want a rival coach 'turning heads', taking on the teaching of other young skaters , luring them away, correct? How is that achieved by complaining about you? How does telling the other parents that you are a troublemaker help him to keep the work which is with those other parents' children or safeguard him from the risk of the other parents giving their children's tuition to this new coach ?

We still don't know what words were used either. You summarise the words by 'trouble causers'. Surely, that alone would not mean anything to the other parents? If I said 'X is a trouble causer' and no more, the reader would be none the wiser; it doesn't tell them anything. I would have to say something of what the actions or words were. What are the parents supposed to do or think if I don't tell them something of what the trouble caused is?

What trouble , what things were you doing or saying, had he to complain about and , more importantly, what did he say they were ?

PS. I was amused by your calling your daughter 'a minor' and yourself her 'representative'. I have never heard even a lawyer describe his own child and himself as 'a minor' and representing her; it is lawyer's language, but we only use the terms for clients and litigants, not ourselves :) Must try it on my own.

[bednobs]

perhaps the parent is the daughter's agent or manager fred? that's why they say they represent her? if this is elite sport we are talking about it's possible

[Peter Pedant]

The difficulty I have is that someone says I am a convicted drunk - then I have difficulty in denying it (for rather obvious reasons). Even if I were called a habitual drunk I would just shrug.

So it depends on what your complaining history is.

First of all you need a copy of the text/generic message - and I think if you cant get a copy then you are st+ffed.

If you can I think you can ask the sender ( or originator) to specify.

Depending on his answer I would then go to the professional body.

Libel or slander is very expensive - and I wouldnt go down that road.

[Mosaic]

LGM, I've read through the thread and I'm still a bit unclear about some of the context, but from what I can gather this is the situation:
Your daughter has some sporting talent, which you have hired a coach to develop. It's a team sport so joining a team is a vital part of the development.
This has been kind of brokered via school but isn't a school-based arrangement (?I may have got this bit wrong).
The coach appears to believe your daughter has developed a crush on him (?)
He has dealt with this by blurting it in a text to other families involved in his coaching, saying your daughter causes trouble.
If I've got this right, then the last part was a deeply unprofessional act. However, if this is a self-employed person getting anyone to discipline him for it is not possible. He may or may not be in a professional association - if so certainly approach via this and make your case.
Also, if he was in some way recommended by your daughter's school his unprofessional behaviour needs to be brought to their attention.
What you need to do though is have a clear view of what you expect to get through the process. Are you after apologies, darkening his reputation, or - the more realistic outcome - that after a lot of bitterness and effort on your part, he gets a stiff letter saying he's been very naughty.
The likelihood is if he is as big a dilbert as comes across, within a year he will have upset somebody else and he will get his comeuppance. So breathing deeply and getting on with life might be a more positive route for you and your daughter.

[bednobs]

blimey mosaic, i didn't get any of that from the post except the first part :)

[littlegraftersmu]

I am trying to get the text forwarded to me to use later however the parties involved are afraid of the fallout this may cause for them as it was sent to a select few. It is not a team sport that my daughter is involved in, he called his group a team, I dont know i suppose it makes them feel they are together and not in competition with each other... I dont know?
The text was a general, " Hi everyone as you may or may not be aware I begun teaching X The Family are Known trouble causers and I am very proud of the way my parents and kids conduct themselves if any issues are brought to attention, bring it to me immediately, lets hope the family have turned over a new leaf" this is in short but the wording of the main is precise, only the text went on and on and on about how proud he was of the current parents behaviour!?
No she hasnt developed a crush on him FGS never mentioned she has moved to him to give his professional talent a try! Nothing has been mentioned in the text with regards to why we are trouble causers perhaps I should ask him?

[EcclesCake]

Asking him would seem to be the most obvious starting point. I'm surprised you haven't already gone down that route.

[Baldric]

Are you saying you're a member of the family being referred to as troublemakers?

[factor-fiction]

I think that's the case but it's all very difficult to follow. I think Mosaic has put a lot of effort into trying to work out the exact story but it's still not clear. I think it's going to be difficult for anyone to give clear guidance here

[Peter Pedant]

No I can follow

He ( ickle grafter ) needs a copy of the text first...

and then I agree, tackle the original poster

I thought ickleG didnt have a text - being told there is one and being given one are two completely different things

[Peter Pedant]

I still think you need the text.

" Hi everyone as you may or may not be aware I begun teaching X The Family are Known trouble causers and I am very proud of the way my parents and kids conduct themselves if any issues are brought to attention, bring it to me immediately, lets hope the family have turned over a new leaf"

I think you can at least start of with the line - I want my daughteer taught - which part of my behaviour can I modify to make your job easier and therefire make things easier for her ?

and why on earth would be call you trouble makers ?
It has never been used about me - drunk, twit (almost) crazy all have been

[thugulike]

Absolutely not. Only the headteacher should send messages to parents.