Who Says This Is Not A Problem?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/553222/Number-migrants-UK-towns-trebled-last-10-years

/// Almost 65,000 EU nationals are getting Jobseeker’s Allowance in the UK, among them 14,880 Poles. ///

/// Just two unemployed Britons are living on welfare in Poland. ///

[BlackadderV]

Cue Mikey.

[Zacs-Master]

I don't know whether it's a problem or not without figures showing the cost and the percentage who go on to find employment. The Express seems to hav e been selective regarding Britons claiming benefits, only citing the Polish figures. The Guardian claims:
• At least 30,000 Britons on unemployment benefit in EU, Guardian research shows
• Unemployed Britons in richer EU states outnumber claimants from those countries in UK
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jan/19/-sp-thousands-britons-claim-benefits-eu

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/19/-sp-search-for-only-briton-poland-claiming-benefits

/// At the British Polish Chamber of Commerce in Warsaw, chief adviser Michael Dembinski, an Anglo-Pole, clearly thought the idea absurd. “In all my 17 years of living in Poland, I can honestly say I’ve never heard of a UK citizen claiming any benefit from the Polish state,” he said. ///

/// Yet according to the Ministry of Labour and Social Policy in Warsaw, one of the 4,500 Britons currently registered as living in Poland is indeed claiming unemployment benefit (another Briton listed in Guardian research as claiming benefits may have since found a job or left the country) ///

[Old_Geezer]

It would be less of a problem if Poland would hurry up and transfer over their payment for the welfare we are passing on to their citizens, to settle their bill.

[Gromit]

// Number of migrants in UK towns trebled in last 10 years //

I live in a UK town, and The number of migrants has not trebled where I live.

// The foreign-born population of SOME British towns has tripled in just 10 years, a report shows. //

Ah, so it is not all UK towns it is some. How many, the Express does not bother to say. The report mentions two towns, so 'some' must mean two.

[anotheoldgit]

Zacs-Master

/// The Guardian claims:
• At least 30,000 Britons on unemployment benefit in EU, Guardian research shows ///

The Guardian and the Express seem to agree on the figures regarding how many British nationals are claiming out-of-work benefits in other EU countries.

But what the Guardian fails to report on is the fact that over twice as many EU nationals are claiming Jobseekers Allowance in the UK.

*** Figures show around 65,000 EU nationals claim Jobseeker's Allowance in the UK, compared to just under 30,000 British nationals claiming out-of-work benefits in other EU countries. ***

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

// Number of migrants in UK towns trebled in last 10 years //

/// I live in a UK town, and The number of migrants has not trebled where I
live. ///

It does not say "all UK Towns", but it does go on to mention two and then goes on to mention 3 others where it has doubled.

So nothing to worry about there then you seem to say, that is of course if you do not happen to live in those particular towns or cities.

[Gromit]

The influx of Polish nationals to the UK was because there was no jobs in their own country, so it is hardly surprising that the same number of UK nationals did not go to Poland.

In richer EU countries, presumably meaning France and Germany, there are more Brits claiming unemployment benefit than there are French and Germans claiming the benefit here. Again, not at all surprising.

[Zacs-Master]

I thought anyone with a kindergarten grasp of 'sums' might have worked that out AOG. They don't 'fail to report it' as that's not what their article is about. I posted the purported facts as the other side of the coin to the Express failed to see fit to mention, making their article biased.

[ichkeria]

Well:
In massive letters:
Number of migrants in UK towns trebled in last 10 years

In much smaller print:
THE foreign-born population of SOME (my capitals) British towns has tripled in just 10 years, a report shows

In smaller print again:
"In Boston, Lincolnshire, immigrant numbers are up 389 per cent and foreigners now account for 15 per cent of the residents – up from just three per cent a decade ago. In Merthyr Tydfil, the proportion of migrants rose from 1.4 per cent to 4.5 per cent".

Er, that's ONE town with (actually nearly a fivefold increase, could they but do maths), not "UK towns in general" as suggested at the outset. And another with a threefold increase.

SO, yes, I'd say there's a major problem there. As least there is some sense there if you persevere with the article, but how many do?

[saintpeter48]

Get down to Southampton then, you'll be lucky to hear an English accent! Having said that, there are many Polish living in and around my area in the city and the vast majority are very hard working, doing the jobs that the lazy out of work Brits refuse to do!!

[New Judge]

One does not need to get too bogged down with the trivia.

Every year since 2001 more than half a million people have arrived to settle here (and the numbers in each of the five years before that exceeded 300,000). Last year alone saw the arrival of more than 520,000 people. It doesn’t really matter where they settle (though because of their tendency to congregate, some towns have seen such change as to make them unrecognisable from just a few years ago) and now more than 12% of the UK’s population was born abroad (and that’s just those we know about).