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Further to the forthcoming Scottish independence referendum got me wondering, how come Mr Salmonds can create a Scottish National Party, and go on to seek independence from the rest of the UK?
Yet if an English politician were to set up an English National Party and seek to make England independent from the rest of the UK, not only would that politician most likely be classed by some as extreme far-right wing, and his party also the same, but they would also most likely be labelled little Englanders, racist and fascist.
Why the difference?
Yet if an English politician were to set up an English National Party and seek to make England independent from the rest of the UK, not only would that politician most likely be classed by some as extreme far-right wing, and his party also the same, but they would also most likely be labelled little Englanders, racist and fascist.
Why the difference?
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Where to start? Firstly the historical basis for an independent Scotland (and Ireland, and even Wales) is rather stronger than that for an independent England, given that the UK was formed in part when the Scottish of the day seceded to the English. The English were the senior partner in the Union, so we have far less reason to want to leave.
Secondly, the single policy of wanting an independent England doesn't make you racist. The SNP has tied in its independence with a series of socialist policies so can't really be termed far right-wing by any measure on earth. If an ENP were formed and had the same set of policies it wouldn't be branded right-wing either. At least not accurately. If an ENP also aligned itself with policies such as some attempt to return to "purity", then it might be labelled racist, but then it would be. Independence isn't in itself facism or racism, it's the complete package that matters.
Thirdly, although it goes a bit far, you could regard the SNP as "little Scotlanders" anyway, so no difference there either. I think it wouldn't be exactly fair, but it's clear that at least one or two senior figures in the SNP, particularly Nicola Sturgeon, seem to be playing Independence as a chance to escape the vile clutches of evil Westminster.
Secondly, the single policy of wanting an independent England doesn't make you racist. The SNP has tied in its independence with a series of socialist policies so can't really be termed far right-wing by any measure on earth. If an ENP were formed and had the same set of policies it wouldn't be branded right-wing either. At least not accurately. If an ENP also aligned itself with policies such as some attempt to return to "purity", then it might be labelled racist, but then it would be. Independence isn't in itself facism or racism, it's the complete package that matters.
Thirdly, although it goes a bit far, you could regard the SNP as "little Scotlanders" anyway, so no difference there either. I think it wouldn't be exactly fair, but it's clear that at least one or two senior figures in the SNP, particularly Nicola Sturgeon, seem to be playing Independence as a chance to escape the vile clutches of evil Westminster.
The difference is that English Nationalism isn't popular. The only people interested in English Nationalism are extreme right wingers. Most in the centre of the political spectrum have no interest in it. They tend to be more interested in a United Kingdom.
You will probably find independence isn't that popular in Scotland either. The vote in Scotland is likely to go against independence.
The fact that Scotland was once a souvreign nation before it was merged into the UK Is also different. If England were being rules from Edinburgh, then English Nationalism would probably be more popular.
You will probably find independence isn't that popular in Scotland either. The vote in Scotland is likely to go against independence.
The fact that Scotland was once a souvreign nation before it was merged into the UK Is also different. If England were being rules from Edinburgh, then English Nationalism would probably be more popular.
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I don't think the answers you're going to get are going to be substantially different from the last two times your asked this question:
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One hopes no-one is mean enough to accuse you of having a chip on your shoulder, eh?
I don't think the answers you're going to get are going to be substantially different from the last two times your asked this question:
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One hopes no-one is mean enough to accuse you of having a chip on your shoulder, eh?
sp1814
That was way back in 2009, with it now being more topical, since then we have had new members on AB, so can anyone blame me of entering the question once again.
But then don't let that stop you from having the usual dig.
/// One hopes no-one is mean enough to accuse you of having a chip on your shoulder, eh? ///
No they will leave that to you, seeing that you happen to have the most experience of carrying around a chip on your shoulder.
That was way back in 2009, with it now being more topical, since then we have had new members on AB, so can anyone blame me of entering the question once again.
But then don't let that stop you from having the usual dig.
/// One hopes no-one is mean enough to accuse you of having a chip on your shoulder, eh? ///
No they will leave that to you, seeing that you happen to have the most experience of carrying around a chip on your shoulder.
AOG
I wasn't having a dig at all.
Just because you have a certain number of topics that you repeatedly return to with the regularity that a goldfish would find admirable doesn't mean you have a chip on your shoulder.
I know how irritating it can be when someone throws that accusation even when they don't have a shred of evidence to support it, and I hope they don't accuse you of the same.
Now...what have the Muslims been up to today?
I wasn't having a dig at all.
Just because you have a certain number of topics that you repeatedly return to with the regularity that a goldfish would find admirable doesn't mean you have a chip on your shoulder.
I know how irritating it can be when someone throws that accusation even when they don't have a shred of evidence to support it, and I hope they don't accuse you of the same.
Now...what have the Muslims been up to today?
tballrossi
/// After hearing Alex Salmonds describing how an independent Scotland would be everyone should be packing their bags and heading up there, it sounds like utopia. ///
I may be wrong but I don't think he has mentioned immigration control yet.
Only this:
*** Meanwhile those in support of an independent Scotland put forward the view that Scotland should have responsibility for its own migration policy and its own borders – thus better enabling Scotland to tailor its immigration policy to better address the particular skills, demographic needs, and skilled labour shortages in Scotland. ***
/// After hearing Alex Salmonds describing how an independent Scotland would be everyone should be packing their bags and heading up there, it sounds like utopia. ///
I may be wrong but I don't think he has mentioned immigration control yet.
Only this:
*** Meanwhile those in support of an independent Scotland put forward the view that Scotland should have responsibility for its own migration policy and its own borders – thus better enabling Scotland to tailor its immigration policy to better address the particular skills, demographic needs, and skilled labour shortages in Scotland. ***
