S&M? We're talking about disciplining children here Sqad....
I like the reasoning with them idea in theory, but i'm afraid im still with the old fashioned idea in principle that if you do something wrong, you're punished.
My daughter's 5, and is usually pretty good on a day to day basis, but she knows that if she pushes me too far, i can and will smack her, and I frankly don't care if this is PC or not. It means that I have a happy, well behaved (again mostly) polite child who was described by her teacher on her school report as "a delight to teach" so i don't think im doing too much wrong.