What A World We Live In.

[sandyRoe]

If convicted under the rules of joint enterprise all will go down as murderers. While it's difficult to have any sympathy with them, those who engaged in horseplay and now find themselves facing murder charges must feel themselves hard done by.
Any thoughts?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/worcestershire-birmingham-crown-court-asda-one-jaguar-land-rover-b2221585.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1668049423

[davebro]

horses don't play with knives!

[davebro]

Zebu - I completely fail to understand your mindset that seems to think that every murder is in someway excusable. It's very strange.

[ZebuSanctuary]

// They ARE murderers. //

I see those who seek to be 'Judge, Trial and Jury' brigade are out in force.

Let us remember the trial is still ongoing!

[ZebuSanctuary]

// murder is in someway excusable. //

Where have I said that?

Any misunderstanding of my stance on this matter, can be clarified by the third paragraph of post >09.34

[naomi24]

Zebu, they killed him. He's dead.

[burlyshirley1]

Poor Mr Kirwan, he was very brave to tackle a bunch of feral youths, as this often ends badly. Law and order has gone to pot in this country now and they will probably have the best defence available to them while Mr Kirwan's family will never see him again.

[naomi24]

Ooo ... don't waste your sympathy on the victim and his family, Shirley. That would never do.

[Peter Pedant]

Zebu, they killed him. He's dead.
nn sequitur of the week
the queen is dead but noone murdered her

( doesnt bother to check which site he is on)

and if they killed him - then he wd be dead innit
( redundancy, tautology) bit early on a thur for this

[burlyshirley1]

I know, very sad isn't it naomi ...

[burlyshirley1]

Good God pp's at it again !!

[naomi24]

PP, as someone who tells the rest of us every day how stupid we are, you of all people should know that others aren't quite as smart as you pretend to be. For them it needs spelling out. You know … killed equals dead. But thank you for your efforts.

[naomi24]

Sickening, Shirley. It's like trying to reason with the know-all arrogance of idealistic adolescence.

[sandyRoe]

Let's imagine, just for the sake of argument, that one or more of the accused were up for a bit of vandalism/horseplay but had no knowledge of a knife being carried by one of their number, or that it would be used.
How could they prove that and why should they have to?
What happened to the idea that an accused person doesn't have to prove their innocence?

[davebro]

//Let's imagine, just for the sake of argument, that one or more of the accused were up for a bit of vandalism/horseplay but had no knowledge of a knife being carried by one of their number, or that it would be used.//

While we are at it let's imagine the moon is made of cheese!

[ToraToraTora]

//Let's imagine, just for the sake of argument, that one or more of the accused were up for a bit of vandalism/horseplay but had no knowledge of a knife being carried by one of their number, or that it would be used.//
Not knowing what a colleague has in his pockets is no defence against joint enterprise.

[michaelsmith03]

hi

[Peter Pedant]

hi mike
we are trying 'to decide' if someone is dead then it attracts criminal charges.
It doesnt - think of the late Queen

BUT - You know … killed equals dead. But thank you for your efforts.
But my efforts have failed Naomi - - the fact they are dead does not mean a certain charge ( murder ) is er certain.
Murder , Manslaughter, Infanticid, Mandslughter by gross negligence, lawful homicide - all spring to mind.

Re-read ladybird book of capital crimes

I dont think these posts can possibly sway any juror
- except to persuade AB stands for "All Batty"

[naomi24]

//But my efforts have failed Naomi//

And anyone else who's capable of following the thread.

[davebro]

I don't know why PP bothers - the rest of us are so unutterably stupid that we haven't got a cat in hell's of understanding or appreciating his words of wisdom.